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List of DYK Hooks by Date
Date # of Hooks # Verified
October 25 1
November 1 1
November 4 1 1
November 6 1
November 17 2
November 18 5
November 19 1
November 21 2
November 24 1
November 27 1
November 28 1
November 29 4
November 30 1
December 1 4 1
December 2 2
December 3 3 2
December 4 1
December 5 7 4
December 6 6
December 7 3
December 8 6 1
December 10 3 1
December 11 2
December 12 1
December 13 3 1
December 14 2
December 15 2 1
December 16 7 2
December 17 1
December 18 3 1
December 19 2 1
December 20 7
December 21 3
December 22 4 1
December 23 4
December 24 5 1
December 25 3
December 26 3
December 27 2
December 28 5 1
December 29 5 3
December 30 7 1
December 31 3 3
January 1 11 3
January 2 7 2
January 3 4 1
January 4 11 3
January 5 1
January 6 8 5
January 7 5 2
January 8 9 3
January 9 17 7
January 10 13 10
January 11 6 4
January 12 6 1
January 13 13 4
January 14 7 3
January 15 7 1
January 16
January 17
January 18
January 19
January 20
January 21
January 22
January 23
Total 256 75
Last updated 22:52, January 23, 2017 (UTC)
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Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on October 25

Corruption in Angola

* ... that in 2016 Transparency International named the daughter of Angola's president one of the most corrupt individuals and organizations in all of Africa?

5x expanded by DaltonCastle (talk). Self-nominated at 01:18, 27 October 2016 (UTC).

  • Comment: the high copyvio percentage is almost exclusively the long names of organizations or laws, or, on a handful of occasions, quotations I attribute.
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Nice article but unfortunately it was not five-time expanded. This revision is what the article was like before you started expanding. It was 4791 characters. The current version is 19582 characters long. 4791x5 = 23995. You need to expand the article by a further 4413 characters for it to be compliant with DYK rules. — Yellow Dingo (talk) 07:14, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Oh no! I missed that! I'll try to add some other content to make it meet requirements. DaltonCastle (talk) 18:01, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
  • Nice, DaltonCastle, the article has reached a 5x expansion now. (Currently 24750 characters, which is 755 characters over what was required. Heres my full review

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - Yes for ALT0, ALT1 and ALT 2 but no for ALT3 (I couldn't find any mention in the source) and no for ALT4 (source doesn't back up hook)
  • Interesting: Red XN - ALT0 and ALT2 are my preferred on the interest front.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg — Yellow Dingo (talk) 06:07, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

  • ALT0: Someone's daughter can't be an "entity". EEng 07:32, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
    True. — Yellow Dingo (talk) 07:46, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
    • "Corrupt individuals and organizations". Done. DaltonCastle (talk) 23:53, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed to continue the review; nothing has been done here in over a month, and previous reviewer has retired. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:37, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment There are far too many very short sections and paragraphs - much of it is in a notes format. 05:00, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
    • I can combine these sections if it solves it. DaltonCastle (talk) 06:06, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
      • @DaltonCastle: there are 2 inline tags in the article that need to be fixed; a {{when}} tag and a {{clarify}} tag. I fixed a couple other tags for you, but I can't access the sources for those two. Fix them and ping me and I'll do a full review, this has been pending too long. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 16:56, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
        • @ONUnicorn: I believe I have addressed both concerns but didn't want to remove the tags without your approval. DaltonCastle (talk) 19:10, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
  • General eligiblity:
  • New Enough: Green tickY
  • Long Enough: Red XN - Not a 5x expansion
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Expansion began October 24. At that time the article was 9,536 bytes total. Readable prose was 4,256 characters by my count. Currently it is 19,199 characters and 32,221 bytes. Neither of those indicates quite a 5x expansion. By my calculations it should be about 47,680 bytes or 21,280 characters (not counting spaces) to be a 5x expansion. However, I see that between October 31-November 2 there was a removal of information about Isabel Dos Santos from the article, due to BLP concerns. With that material included, the article was a 5x expansion, without it it isn't. It needs further expansion.

I think the article as currently written is pretty neutral, especially for an article about corruption in a country. However, I note that one needs to be careful in an article such as this to remain neutral, especially where living persons are concerned.

I've struck hook 0 as it is no longer supported by the article, due to the removal of the section on her. I've struck Alt 3, as the previous reviewer is correct that it is not supported by the source cited for it. I also tagged the place in the article that states it, and that will need to be addressed. Alt 4 relies on the same source, but the source also does not speak about arrests. I'm striking it for the same reason. Alt 1 and Alt 2 are acceptable. I strongly prefer Alt 2.

Fix the length issue and the failed verification issue and this will be good to go. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 20:46, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

ONUnicorn, thank you for taking this on. The gold standard for determining length in prose characters at DYK is WP:DYKcheck, or you can use prosesize.js or one of the other counters. Bytes are completely irrelevant and confusing. Prose includes words and the spaces and punctuation that separate them. It does not include text in lists and tables. Yellow Dingo's original review had the numbers almost right: 4791 prose characters before, 23995 required size (should have been 23955, 40 fewer characters than listed). DYKcheck currently returns 21756 prose characters after the most recent edits today, meaning 2199 are needed to achieve the 23955 required. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:43, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
BlueMoonset I don't use js counters. I copy-paste into Microsoft Word and use the character count from that. It's pretty accurate. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 02:26, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
I just took a quick look at the article, and noticed that a number of the references are bare URLs, which are not allowed at DYK. These will also have to be addressed by DaltonCastle. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:52, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 1

List of crossings of the Upper Passaic River

Passaic River Bridge
Passaic River Bridge

Created by Djflem (talk). Self-nominated at 07:13, 4 November 2016 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol question.svg :* Comprehensive. However, I note that the hook is based on the long list (which I trust but did not count). A tweak to the article might read, instead of "Numerous spans have been built", say "Today, there are, more than 100 spans ..." Verne Equinox (talk) 12:44, 5 November 2016 (UTC) -->

qpq review:Template:Did you know nominations/Pedals (bear) Djflem (talk) 13:37, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
"Over 100 crossings have been built" added to lead.Djflem (talk) 07:31, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Issue resolved. Good to go. Verne Equinox (talk) 21:19, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg I came to promote this but found there was no inline citation for the "over 100" fact. I can see by counting that there are 93 or so crossings on the upper river list, and plenty more in the lower river article, but this information is not directly cited in the nominated article. If you could add, and cite, to this article a sentence on the number of crossings on the lower river, that would suffice. Alternatively, you could have a different hook just referring to the upper river and stating "over ninety". Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:18, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia:CALC Djflem (talk) 07:29, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
I think not. If it were mentioned in the article that there were X number of bridges on the lower river we could use Wikipedia:CALC, but that fact is not mentioned. Alternatively a citation for the "Over 100 crossings have been built along the reaches of the river's length since the colonial era" statement would suffice. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:17, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Over 100 crossings have been built along the lower and upper river since the colonial era…..Djflem (talk) 10:22, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: BlueMoonset, do you consider a citation is necessary here? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:35, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Cwmhiraeth, Djflem, that statement absolutely needs a citation. The article's table is of fewer than 100 crossings, which includes dams, water mains, and proposed structures. While these are, for the most part, cited, the companion article about the lower Passaic is not, and in any event cannot be used for calculations: for DYK, it's only what's in this article that's relevant. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:12, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Djflem (talk) 21:49, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

The nominator has provided a reference, per request, and I have clarified a point in the article that was perhaps not clear, to wit, the hook refers to the entire river while the article refers to just one part. It works now and I recommend promoting the nom.Verne Equinox (talk)
@Verne Equinox:If you are satisfied that the reference now given for the statement "Over 100 crossings have been built along the lower and upper river", does in fact support the hook fact, please give this nomination your tick of approval. Searching for "Passaic River" in that source I found 82 relevant hits, and repeating the search for "Passaic Riv" I found 97. None of this discussion would be necessary if the hook were changed to 90 rather than 100. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:51, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Posted on my Talk Page: "Thanks for you help with this. Have tweaked/ref'd article, and based on Wikipedia:CALC and Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. Roads, where maps are used as references in multiple FA articles on roads and highways, many of which are edited by admins (and w/ref to Wikipedia:Obtaining geographic coordinates and the essay: Wikipedia:Numbers need citations), I think it can stand as is. (For good order calculation at Talk:List of crossings of the Upper Passaic River, which only includes existing structures.) Djflem (talk) 08:23, 12 December 2016 (UTC)" Verne Equinox (talk) 03:13, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Symbol confirmed.svg Per the nominator's calculation, there are 2 culverts + 91 bridges + 8 dams + 3 power lines = 104 crossings. I recommend going with the original hook. If others disagree, either change the hook or drop it. Too much ink, or whatever, has been spilled on this one. For me, frankly, the debate is not worth it. I have no more time for this and will not collaborate any further on it.Verne Equinox (talk) 03:13, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg Verne Equinox, Djflem, the hook says "over 100 bridges". The calculation above says "91 bridges" plus 13 other crossings. A power line is not a bridge, nor is a dam. I don't understand how "104 crossings" equals "over 100 bridges" in this case. If we attempt to take the hook as written to prep, it will get shot down for just this reason. As Cwmhiraeth noted earlier, if you want the 100 number, then something like "over 100 structures" will work; otherwise, "over 90 bridges". Please note that, given the wording of the hook as it now stands, these all need to be structures that are currently extant, not former or planned structures. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:52, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset: per calculation @ Talk:List of crossings of the Upper Passaic River#Source>>>Mouth>>>Downstream
2 culverts + 90 vehicular bridges + 17 rail bridges + 5 foot bridges + 2 utility bridges + 8 dams/weir existing per 2016
Djflem (talk) 14:19, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Djflem, thank you for the new hooks. I have to confess I don't understand ALT1, or why it's interesting: all sorts of things can cross rivers, including such everyday things as electric lines. For ALT2, the article still says "over 100"; hooks and articles must agree on these basic facts. Also, now that the number of vehicular bridges is apparently down to 90, the article needs to adjust what it says to reflect that as well. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:41, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: As one sees [1] ALT1 is a suggestion of Verne Equinox. ALT2 is a correction/suggestion that is indeed in agreement with article and more accurate (than the original hook). As mentioned above this is, for the good order to facilitate those reviewing this DYK, outlined at Talk:List of crossings of the Upper Passaic River#Source>>>Mouth>>>Downstream where one sees there are 90 vehicular/road bridges + 17 rail bridges + 5 foot bridges + 2 water utility bridges, or a total 113 existing bridges (three of which are out of use). Additionally there at least two culverts as well at least eight dams/wiers, which are not considered part of the more than 100 bridges (of original hook) or 110 bridges (of ALT hook). Thanks. Djflem (talk) 22:29, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Djflem, I just this minute looked at the article. Nowhere is the number "110" given, or a number higher than that. What the article currently says is: "There are over 100 crossings along the lower and upper river including over 90 vehicular and 14 rail bridges." It needs to be brought into alignment with what you've just stated on this page. I've seen the list on the article's talk page, but the article itself needs this information. I have struck ALT1, since I do think it doesn't make sense. Please let me know here when the article reflects your (>110 bridges) calculations if you wish ALT2 used; in any event, since there are not over 90 vehicular bridges, but exactly 90, the article will need to be modified to reflect this fact. Finally, the Power lines section needs at least one inline source citation. Once these things are accomplished, this nomination will be ready for a final review. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 23:11, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: Yes check.svg Done Djflem (talk) 08:12, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Djflem. I took a look through the article, and was surprised to see over half a dozen bare URLs being cited as references. Bare URL references aren't allowed for DYK articles (see WP:DYKSG#D3), so I'm going to have to request that you fill them in. I'm sorry there's a further delay, but you're almost there. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:16, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Djflem (talk) 14:22, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed to check current hooks now that previous issues and bare URLs have been responded to. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:46, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg @BlueMoonset: Djflem just asked me if I would look at this. I have recently added an image with updated coords to the list article and talk page. Would reviewing this be a conflict of interest per DYK rules? Also, can the hook depend directly on two articles, since the lower Passaic one is not under review? Thanks, Zeete (talk) 18:32, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Zeete, in my opinion adding a single image is not a conflict of interest for your review, not even close. The hook must be completely supported in the bolded article alone: while that article is about the Upper Passaic, it can have relevant information about the entire run of the Passaic (included the Lower reaches), and have the appropriate sources as well to support that information. What it can't do is rely on the Lower Passaic article and its sources to uniquely supply any information in the hook; it must all be present and sourced in the Upper article. (Note that the hook is talking about numbers of crossings; the Upper article doesn't need to list each individual one in the Lower section, just back up the overall numbers.) Is that clear? If not, I'll be happy to try again. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:35, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Questions: Thanks, Zeete (talk) 12:56, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Article length: DYKcheck reports 2009, but the Power Lines section is 580 and appears basically to be an in-line list, (2a: counts should ignore lists), leaving 1429, less than 1500. Is the article long enough?
The power lines section is prose.Djflem (talk) 09:27, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg Power lines were used in the count in the above discussion and are described as crossings in the article. They are therefore part of the list of crossings and by eligibilty criteria 2c: Proposed lists need 1,500+ characters of prose, aside from the listed items themselves. Thanks, Zeete (talk) 15:49, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
The power lines are not used in any count. They are not presented in the article as crossings. Article so amended so as to eliminate the apparent confusion. Incidentally, neither are footbridges or dams/wiers. The hook refers specifically to the vehicular and rail bridges as mentioned in the hook sentence:There are over 110 crossings along the lower and upper river including vehicular and rail bridges. Djflem (talk) 06:17, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Hook Content: Variation of there are many crossings theme. Is this relevant for more than just novelty or newness? Is there another hook on an interesting fact?
There are over 125 existing crossings (as well tens of historical bridges) over the relatively short (80 mile) course of the river, an extremely high ratio which speaks to the historical development and the (sub)-urban density of the region.Djflem (talk) 09:27, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg This would be interesting but it is not in the article, would be too long for a hook and would need a reliable source. Please suggest a new hook. Thanks, Zeete (talk) 15:49, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
Appears to be matter of taste. Four editors have discussed the DYK nom in the context of the number of crossings and there's consensus to keep it. Djflem (talk) 06:17, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Cited hook: Is there an independent reliable source that supports the hook, not just the cited counting arguments? Could a typical reader verify the counts?
Typical (?) readers could verify the citations by counting the items in them.Djflem (talk)
Symbol possible vote.svg I have tried, even used a spreadsheet, but could not get consistent meaningful counts given the various definitions of "crossing". Main point is that there is no independent reliable source that supports the hook. Thanks, Zeete (talk) 15:49, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
The definition of crossing is no where discussed in the article There are over 110 crossings along the lower and upper river including vehicular and rail bridges. There are over 110 vehicular and rail crossings: Utility/footbridges and dams/weir/ are not included in the 110. The info about power lines lines lies outside the scope of the listings.Djflem (talk) 06:17, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg If the power lines section is outside its scope, then should it be included in the article? The article length, hook content, and cited hook problems remain. Thanks, Zeete (talk) 13:49, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
From above, it say DYKcheck reports 2009. Since the power lines section is prose and is relevant to the article the article length is fine. It is out of the scope of the hook, which for the sake of simplicity refers only to vehicular and rail bridges. It is unclear what is meant by hook content. The hook text is fine, as four editors have agreed, so there's no reason to change it. References provide verification as to whether there over 100 crossings (as 111 or 112 or any number above 100) or not: that may include simple addition that most "typical readers" would be capable of. Thanks19:11, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
  • The power lines section is either part of the list or should be removed, either way it should not count in the article length. While it may be accurate, the hook content is not interesting. Even if it were interesting, there is no independent reliable source that supports it. @BlueMoonset: Next steps? Thanks, Zeete (talk) 19:53, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Despite your claim, the power lines section is not Included in the the list. It is clearly separate prose section. If you wish to add it to the list of crossing sections then please do the research, find the coordinates, and insert it into the actual list. Otherwise it is prose that relevant to the article. Djflem (talk) 07:40, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 4

Bombing of Nagaoka in World War II

Nagaoka after the raid.
Nagaoka after the raid.
  • ... that during the bombing of Nagaoka in World War II, 80% of the urban area of the city was burned down?
    • ALT1:... that during the bombing of Nagaoka in World War II, the 313th Bombardment Wing dropped 163,000 incendiary bombs totaling 925 tons in a 110 minute period?

Created/expanded by MChew (talk). Nominated by Iazyges (talk) at 21:22, 4 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is not long enough but new enough. Where is it said that Nagaoka was lacking targets of military significance? And the population number. I am also not sure if there being a more plausible reason for the air raid than Nagaoka being Yamamoto's hometown is the same thing as saying that it didn't play a role. The second paragraph may use a rewrite as it's fairly similar in wording with the source. One source is inaccessible. Hooks need the article link bolded, the first hook is better but I am not sure if "destroyed" and "burned down" here are equivalent. No QPQ needed. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:04, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Symbol possible vote.svg Sorry MChew, but this article is slightly too short for DYK. . It seems there is ample material in the quoted sources with many details that could be added. I would also move the "Notes" to "Citations", a minor correction and not a requirement, just a suggestion. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:28, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

@Maury Markowitz: I have expanded it to above the required amount. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 06:11, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
Iazyges, while you expanded the article, and it is now long enough, you don't seem to have dealt with the issues raised by Jo-Jo Eumerus. Also, please note that hook facts need to be cited by the end of the sentence in which they occur; waiting until the end of the paragraph is not sufficient for DYK. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:06, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I have reworded the second paragraph, and put a citation on the hook, I have removed some bits that I haven't been able to find citations for. I am looking for a citation for the population. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 01:03, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
I have been unable to find any source for the population, and have thus removed it. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 19:51, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
Still a bit uncertain on I am also not sure if there being a more plausible reason for the air raid than Nagaoka being Yamamoto's hometown is the same thing as saying that it didn't play a role. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:49, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
That's not an issue for DYK to consider, the body text is referenced as it stands, so our job here is done. Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:05, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
@Jo-Jo Eumerus and Maury Markowitz: Your issues seem to have been addressed: are you comfortable signing off on this? Or are there further issues to consider? Vanamonde (talk) 12:25, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
I don't think my issue has been addressed; it still seems like the article says something different than the source. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 12:37, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
@Jo-Jo Eumerus: I have changed "does not" to "is unlikely", I think that fixes it suitably. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 13:09, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
My issue was length and that does appear to have been addressed. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:46, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Did a re-review, I am concerned that "railway junction" does not appear in the source. Everything else seems fine. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:02, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
@Jo-Jo Eumerus: It has been removed. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 12:55, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Symbol voting keep.svg unless @Maury Markowitz: has more issues. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 13:25, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Nope, I'm good. Maury Markowitz (talk) 14:44, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Some of the information was misquoted from the cited sources. I fixed these up and also added some information about the peace statue. Yoninah (talk) 21:04, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 6

Contingency Fund for Foreign Intercourse

Created by LavaBaron (talk). Self-nominated at 01:13, 6 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg You are supposed to add the ref straight after the hook fact. Ref 1 is offline, ref 2 purports to be the report of a "commission" ordered by Congress, but no actual name appears on the website, and the details in the citation aren't adequate. New, long & neutral enough. Copyvios to be checked. Johnbod (talk) 02:31, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
Johnbod - sorry for my delayed reply and thank you very much for your valuable feedback. I believe I've now corrected this. Please let me know if I've missed anything or you have any further concerns. Best - LavaBaron (talk) 07:05, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Well you've added new online refs which cover most of the hook, but not the 12%, which still lacks a ref straight after, but apparently still relies on the mystery report, which remains without proper details. Earwig says: Violation Unlikely, 2.9% confidence. Johnbod (talk) 18:02, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Johnbod, I apologize for this oversight; thanks for catching it. Fixed now. LavaBaron (talk) 06:58, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
You will find the proper authorship & details for this source in the note on this reprint of the text. Please add it. I found this pretty easily by googling the title. Johnbod (talk) 13:11, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Looks like a decent article; long enough, posted by the deadline. No copyvio issues. Everything looks cited, including appropriate citations for the hook fact (AGF on offline sources). Hook is formatted correctly and interesting, but my issue is that the timeframe is not clear (i.e., when did it consume a twelfth of the government's budget? One could interpret the hook as saying that it accounts for a twelfth of the government's current expenditures). Ashorocetus (talk | contribs) 23:29, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 17

Pre-collisional Himalaya

  • ... that pre-collisional Himalaya is the arrangement of the layers of rocks before the collision of India with Asia that formed the Himalaya?

Moved to mainspace by 11lawpt1 (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 04:07, 23 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article was created by a student as part of an educational project. It is new enough and long enough. The hook refers to the subject of the article and does not have an inline citation, as is generally required by a DYK nomination, however I am prepared to accept that. The other DYK criteria seem to be met, the article is generally well-referenced, it is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:57, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but first read the whole thing through and gave it a copyedit for English grammar. I think the hook reads like a snake that's turning around and biting its tail. Since the hook fact is not cited or sourced, I suggest these alts:
  • ALT1: ... that attempts to describe the arrangement of the rock units of pre-collisional Himalaya and the relationship between them have met with controversy?
  • ALT2: ... that four models have been proposed to describe the arrangement of the rock units of pre-collisional Himalaya and the relationship between them, but none have received widespread acceptance? Yoninah (talk) 19:13, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
I am happy enough with the alt1 or alt2, but it is hard to find something hooky to say from the article that we can be sure is factual, and not just a reflection of lack of knowledge about the topic. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:07, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg True. The subject is very technical. Could another reviewer review the ALTs, please? Yoninah (talk) 13:42, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
Alt 2 isn't fully in the article. Alt 1 is in the intro but isn't cited. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 17:49, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Adding an icon based on the above comments. Yoninah, Graeme Bartlett, is there anything that can be done to address the points ONUnicorn has made about the two ALT hooks? BlueMoonset (talk) 21:50, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Geological mapping of Venus

Moved to mainspace by Jupmira104 (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 01:08, 22 November 2016 (UTC).

  • This is so cool. On it. — LlywelynII 04:32, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Timely; well long enough (~25k elig. chars.); policy... well, there are several problems but I've moved them to the article's talk page since none of them are dispositive for DYK purposes except for the article being at the wrong namespace, which I fixed; Mr Bartlett's QPQ done. Added image that's free of copyright. I think it's a little off, since it should be tilted, [only 3°, so no need] but it's still a fun image. To head off any objections by Mr Tyson, is it turning the right way? [Venus rotates clockwise, with the sun rising in the west once every 240ish days...]
In any case, the real problem is the hook. It's not that "mapping of Venus" has found that it naturally divides into 62 sections (which would have been fascinating to read about): It's that the US Geological Survey (only) cut up its coordinates into 62 fairly equal-sized areas for mapping purposes (which should be noted but is kinda pointless—it's entirely arbitrary and has nothing to do with the features of Venus). I suggest something from the info about the surface features (but that section is currently completely unsourced) or something about how and why there are three different methods for classifying the info about the surface. — LlywelynII 05:21, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that, because the surface of Venus cannot be seen, mapping of Venus has to be done using radar?
ALT2 ... that, although Venus is completely covered in thick clouds, it can be mapped using radar?
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I know that both of those are true but neither is sourced in the article. There's nothing sourced about the cloud cover and, while the use of radar is mentioned and sourced, there's nothing about it being necessary or the only option. — LlywelynII 12:49, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
    Just a reminder to Mssrs. Mira and/or Barlett to let me know once there's a sourced hook to review. — LlywelynII 13:28, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I will see what extra hooks we can come up with. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:10, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg This still has no valid hooks. Marking for deletion, though of course if a new hook shows up before this is closed the nomination will proceed. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:00, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 18

Geological history of the Precordillera Terrane

  • ... that the Precordillera Platform in Argentina originally broke off from rocks that are now in south-eastern United States? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Moved to mainspace by Consequencewayne (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 03:55, 23 November 2016 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol voting keep.svg moved to mainspace on 18 Nov, Copyvio Detector returns 0.0%, AGF for offline cites. AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 06:58, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

  • @AdventurousSquirrel, Cwmhiraeth, and Graeme Bartlett: My apologies, but I do not think this is ready to go on the main page. DYK does not require stellar prose, but the article should have its basic grammar in place. A grammatical error in the first sentence does not augur well: and the rest of the page has numerous errors, too. I appreciate that this is a technical subject, difficult to write about: but even if I don't understand the geology, I should understand the english. Furthermore, although the hook is sourced, the article later says that it is actually in dispute. Even if I were to put this into a queue, it would likely be ripped apart on WT:DYK by Fram or TRM, and honestly I can't support it in its current state myself. So let's just avoid the drama, get the language into shape, and then promote it: there's no deadline. Vanamonde (talk) 09:49, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Agreed. This is part of a student project and I guess the author has moved on to other parts of the course. If the article does not conform to DYK requirements, and I note there are some unreferenced paragraphs besides what you noticed, it could be rejected altogether for DYK. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:29, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
I will give this a copyedit tomorrow. However good grammar and writing is not a DYK requirement. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 13:17, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Given Vanamonde's comments, I'm superseding the tick here. Contrary to what Graeme Bartlett states, articles for the main page must be adequately written; if it has a significant number of errors or problematic sentences such that it needs a copyedit, then that should be addressed. WP:DYKSG#D13 covers this (though indirectly), and a certain level of quality has been demanded for many months now, if not a couple of years. I know I've requested copyedits before articles could be promoted, and they've been done without complaint, frequently by making a request at the Guild of Copy Editors. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:08, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Copyedit complete. Paragraphs have references added. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 23:55, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Thank you Vanamonde for catching those issues. I'm not sure how reject DYK reviews are handled - should I be doing a re-review at this point, or passing it off to a fresh set of eyes to have a look? AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 00:48, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
  • AdventurousSquirrel: I do not believe there is a hard and fast guideline here. Some aspects of your original review still hold true, obviously: other aspects need to be checked again. Since you have looked at the article once already, you might find it easier than a completely uninvolved editor: but that is up to you, I think. Vanamonde (talk) 09:44, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Vanamonde93 Well it looks like the major grammatical issues have been corrected, although I'm still not sure if "Precordillera" as it's used here should be preceded by the article "the" or not. As for the matter of the disputed claim made by the hook I propose:
ALT1 "... that the Precordillera Platform in Argentina may have originally broken off from rocks that are now in the southeastern United States?
I think this may be fair, as scholarly opinions suggesting that this Precordillera did not break off from Laurentia are apparently in the minority (Assuming Good Faith an accurate representation of the inaccessible cites is present here). AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 05:52, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed for ALT1 hook, and to see whether the original hook should be struck due to the issues raised above. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:55, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Paleostress inversion

Created/expanded by Manngaa Jenny (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 11:47, 22 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg This article is rather far from meeting the referencing criteria for DYK. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:33, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg No action has been taken to address the above issue in over two and a half weeks. If something is done before this closes, the nomination can continue. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:12, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

3D Fold Evolution

  • ... that a growing anticline can force a stream to abandon its channel to form wind gaps that are progressively lower? Source: from the Keller reference "Geomorphic criteria to determine direction of lateral propagation of reverse faulting and folding."

Moved to mainspace by Jeffreyfung (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 06:06, 21 November 2016 (UTC).

Monazite geochronology

Concentric zones on a monazite crystal
Concentric zones on a monazite crystal
  • ... that different zones in a monazite crystal can show different ages? Source: from the Williams reference "Microprobe monazite geochronology: understanding geologic processes by integrating composition and chronology."
    • ALT1:... that monazite geochronology must determine the ages of different parts of a crystal as different zones (pictured) may have formed at different times?

Moved to mainspace by SkylYip (talk). Nominated by Graeme Bartlett (talk) at 05:40, 21 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is presently ineligible because some non-lead paragraphs do not have inline citations, per D2 of the DYK Supplementary guidelines. See the following sections in the article for some examples: Comparison between convectional and in situ analysis, Analysis procedures, Sample preparation, Monazite age mapping, Quantitative dating, Interpretation and application, Metamorphism. North America1000 16:56, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg references have been distributed to these paragraphs. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:43, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article is part of a student project and was new enough when submitted and is long enough. The hook facts are sourced, the article is neutral and otherwise reaches the DYK criteria. I could not assess whether it had any plagiarism or close paraphrasing issues because of lack of access to the sources. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:28, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Numerous paragraphs still lack cites. See sections: "Decay of U and Th to Pb", "Radiometric age and geological age", "Solid-state diffusion", "Other zoning patterns", "Isotopic dating", "Chemical dating/ Total Pb dating", "Isotope dilution thermal ionization mass spectrometry", "Secondary ion mass spectrometry", Laser ablation inductively coupled plasma mass spectrometry", "Crystallisation of melt". Yoninah (talk) 10:41, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Schwesta Ewa

  • ... that German rapper Schwesta Ewa raps about being abused in her former life as a prostitute, but was arrested for the forced prostitution of her own fans?
    Source:link: "Und die Liste der Vorwürfe ist lang: Verdacht des Menschenhandels zum Zweck der sexuellen Ausbeutung, Verdacht der Zuhälterei, Körperverletzung, Verstoß gegen die Abgabenordnung. Nach Informationen der „Bild“ soll die Gangster-Rapperin „weibliche Fans wirtschaftlich abhängig gemacht haben und dann der Prostitution zugeführt haben“." - in English, "The list of charges is long: suspicion of human trafficking with the purpose of sexual exploitation, suspicion of pimping, bodily harm, and offenses against the tax code. According to Bild, the gangster rapper "made female fans financially dependent, then forced them into prostitution"."
    • ALT1:... that the career of German rapper Schwesta Ewa suffered a setback when her mentor and record label boss Xatar was arrested in Iraq for stealing €1.7 million of gold?
      Source: drawn from this (German) interview. Unfortunately it's too long to quote and translate here, but it's discussed in the three questions starting "Fühlst du dich mittlerweile im Musikbusiness zuhause?". The most relevant part is "Xatars Abwesenheit dich blockiert" - "Xatar's absence blocked you". There is at least an English language citation for Xatar's arrest here.
    • ALT2 ... that German rapper Schwesta Ewa sings about her former life as a prostitute?

Created by Smurrayinchester (talk). Self-nominated at 11:55, 18 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Main hook, the better one; Symbol voting keep.svg the Alt. New enough, long enough, neutral? weeelll... factual anyway. All sources in German so AGF on copyvio. My German can handle the main but not the alt hook, so AGF there. GTG. Johnbod (talk) 05:20, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg This is a BLP, and it is unacceptable to use the fact that she has been arrested for certain alleged offences in the hook. ALT1 also contravenes this rule, so a new hook is needed. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:11, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Ah, ok, sorry. Johnbod (talk) 03:34, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: Would "...was convicted and imprisoned for stealing..." be acceptable then? Smurrayinchester 13:53, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
@Smurrayinchester: I think it runs into essentially the same problem - i.e., that the problem is not about the hook's accuracy or verifiability, but rather its neutrality. I'm not sure it's exactly expressly forbidden for the hook to focus on controversial aspects of an individual's life (or that this qualifies as a statement that "puts undue emphasis on a negative aspect of a living individual" per the guide), but it's probably best practice to attempt to avoid doing so here. Maybe you could suggest a less controversial topic for a new hook to focus on? AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 23:02, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Her first album was called "Whore", and she seems to talk about little that could not be construed as negative aspects of her life. Is "controversial" really the word here? That implies somebody is arguing another view, & I can't see it. Johnbod (talk) 01:22, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
I've added a possible ALT2, as barebones as possible. If that still fails BLP, then I might as well as withdraw this nomination. Smurrayinchester 08:42, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
Well I personally also think ALT0 is the most interesting, but I was just hoping to offer my interpretation of Cwmhiraeth's concerns. Again, I'm not sure if I agree that it puts "undue emphasis" on that particular aspect of the artist's life. On the other hand, there hasn't even been a trial for the alleged forced prostitution yet, right? Some amount of arguing on the details related to that is certain to take place in the near future. AdventurousSquirrel (talk) 22:37, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
I think we need views/confirmation which of them are BLP-permissable, if any. If there aren't posts here in a day or two I'll ask on the dyk discussion page. Johnbod (talk) 03:09, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
  • As I understand the position, which has been discussed on the DYK discussion page, a hook for a BLP must not emphasize adverse aspects of a person's life, and should not mention them being investigated, arrested or charged with an offence but can mention a conviction. Schwesta Ewa has had a colourful life which has included plenty of other hooky events. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:53, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 19

Long Military Service Cross (Spain)

  • Reviewed: Songjiang Square Pagoda Pending
  • Comment: I could not find official translations of the Royal Decree, which explicitly states the history of the award.

Created by Jionunez (talk). Self-nominated at 16:05, 19 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg The nominator has less than 5 DYK credits, so no QPQ is necessary. Ready for full review. Yoninah (talk) 18:44, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough and long enough. No neutrality or copyright issues detected and QPQ is not needed. But the vast majority of the information in the introduction is not cited including the stuff for the hook and the third paragraph beneath the table is also not cited; all paragraphs need to be cited. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:16, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
  • I have extended the references so that each paragraph, as well as the hook, are directed to a source. Jionunez (talk) 07:25, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Referencing is now OK. @Jionunez: But the 44 years mentioned in the hook does not appear in the article. Calculating the chances are high that it was 43 years and some months. But in any case the hook fact should be in the article, with a reference, but a calculation using accurate dates may not need referencing. Alternatively to fixing article, we could have: Graeme Bartlett (talk) 11:16, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
  • @Graeme Bartlett: Alt1 looks great! I think an exact calculation might not be as eye catching, so we should definitely go with that. Jionunez (talk) 00:21, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg So we need another evaluator to check alt1. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:59, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 21

Oudh Bequest

Created by Mhhossein (talk). Self-nominated at 05:34, 26 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Oudh wasn't so much a "Shi'i kingdom" as an Indian princely state with a Shia ruling dynasty. The money was actually transferred from the government of British India, was it not? Why spell Shia two ways? The English in the article needs attention too.
Sorry for striking your inaccurate hook. I should say that at the time, there was a de facto Shi'a kingdom in the Oudh. I don't say this, sources say this. (See [3], [4], Shi'i state of Awadh, and etc). Btw, Shi'a kingdom of Oudh also shows the time when Shia were ruling Oudh. --Mhhossein talk 16:03, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
See our article on Oudh. 1816-1856 is complicated, but there is no doubt what the situation was after 1856, when the British took over & deposed the Nawab (again). So the first hook won't do; at the best there was a kingdom for only 6 years of "1850-1903". Johnbod (talk) 03:33, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
You're right regarding the fact that Shi'a were ruling Oudh after 1853. Thanks for the point. I stroke the original hook, and yours is also not accurate for the similar reason. We need to show that the starting point was somewhere in the Shi'a kingdom, that's more accurate for those who are seeking the origination of the funds. What's your suggestion? This source might help. --Mhhossein talk 10:57, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
@Johnbod: Did you notice my comment? Mhhossein talk 06:07, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
I suppose. Note, I am just commenting, not reviewing, & now I've lost interest. Johnbod (talk) 15:04, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Anyway. --Mhhossein talk 16:27, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
Mhhossein, since both hooks have been struck, you'll need to create a new hook so there's something to be reviewed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:17, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for reminding, I meant to do so. Mhhossein talk 11:26, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset:: Although I stroke it, I found that the original hook is in exact accordance with the second source, which is a reliable one. However, Oudh was not a Shi' kingdom for the whole period. Only 1850-1856! Do you have any suggestions? --Mhhossein talk 19:10, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg A new hook needs to be advanced for this to move forward. North America1000 20:41, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg The following new hooks are suggested:
ALT2: "... that under the Oudh Bequest, originated in the Shi'i kingdom of Oudh located in India, six million rupees were transferred to the Shia holy cities of Najaf and Karbala between 1850-1903?"
ALT3: "... that it's claimed that the British aimed to use the Oudh Bequest as a political "lever" against Shia in Iran but the plan led to failure?" Mhhossein talk 19:15, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New review needed for new alts 2 and 3 above. North America1000 09:58, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Corruption in Italy

  • ... that a politician implicated in Italy's largest corruption scandal was permitted to claim his time in the parliament constituted his community service?
    • ALT1:... that Italy's largest corruption scandal resulted in the dissolution of five of the nation's political parties?
    • ALT2:... that the managers of Italy's soccer teams were caught colluding with referees to rig games?
    • ALT3:... that an outside observer has called corruption in Italy beneficial to the nation?
    • ALT4:... that due to corruption, it takes on average six years for Italy to complete major public works, and usually at four times the cost?

5x expanded by DaltonCastle (talk). Self-nominated at 04:53, 23 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Just my quick impression: ALT2 & ALT4 describe problems that wouldn't be startling to see on a "dirty laundry list" anywhere in the world. ALT0 & ALT1 & ALT3 seem more interesting & more specific to Italy. —Patrug (talk) 10:48, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The article was expanded from 759 characters to 15896 characters within seven days of the nomination. It is long enough. The QPQ is done. There do not seem to be copyright violations; Earwig's Copyvio Detector mostly detects quotations. The article is neutral and does not seem to violate WP:BLP. It uses inline citations. I assume good faith for the two sources in Italian. But reference 19 appears to link to a search page and not an article titled "Lex live: Italy". In the sports section, the source cited doesn't seem to verify that "twenty persons implicated in the scandal were ultimately either fined, sent to prison, or banned from the sport". Per Patrug, ALT0, ALT1 and ALT3 are more interesting. These three hooks also seem neutral and do not focus on negative aspects of living persons. I added inline citations to verify them. Gulumeemee (talk) 06:46, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 24

James Oakley (politician)

Created by EdChem (talk). Self-nominated at 10:27, 3 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Interesting hooks, but the article has a merge tag on it. Yoninah (talk) 21:42, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: The shooting of Benjamin Marconi article (the proposed merge target) also has a merge tag on it, and was run at DYK a few days ago. That generate one new !vote on the merge proposal, an oppose. I think that merging a biography into an article on the shooting murder of which he only commented would be a BLP violation. I do recognise that naming Oakley in these hooks might be a problem, and so note that they could be reworded as "an American politician" or "an American County Judge" (which is his title, though it would be controversial to use as his position as County Judge is much more a political role than a judicial one). Added ALT3 in this format, supported by Huffington Post article. Note that next PEC board meeting is on 17 Jan, so more news on the topic of ALT2 and article edits will be likely in the next few days. EdChem (talk) 00:23, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 27

Centre for Christian Meditation and Spirituality of the Diocese of Limburg

Labyrinth of burning tealights
Labyrinth of burning tealights

5x expanded by Urmelbeauftragter (talk). Self-nominated at 21:49, 28 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Comment I'd drop "Cretan-style" since it isn't, meaningfully. Better caption: "labyrinth of 2500 tealights". Johnbod (talk) 13:52, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I like the original hook, but the statement in the article is unsourced. Gatoclass (talk) 05:49, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Gerda Arendt, any chance you could respond to this? I would like to try and get this one ready for Christmas Even if possible, and it's less than 24 hours away. Gatoclass (talk) 15:26, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
I was out, sorry. I started the article to fill a red link but haven't studied the translation of more details from German. It would have been better last week, I agree. Let me look. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:12, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
I looked and changed a bit of formatting. I think the article would profit from copy-editing by a native speaker, also some pruning. Do we need the logo of the diocese? The way to get there? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:24, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
The event in 2016 is mentioned in the pdf Program December 2016 to July 2017, but not the number of lights. I'm sorry, I'm too busy for more digging right now, and there's no rush. Meditation is always good, and 3rd Saturday was 10 December this year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:56, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
The hook mentions advent, and that would obviously be best to run before Christmas rather than after. Gatoclass (talk) 08:19, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
ALT1 doesn't mention Advent, it's a good image, and prep is done for all these days. 1 January would be a good day for spirituality and light, or 20 January. I am behind on my private preparation, and have nice company, sorry. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:23, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
I have no written source source for the number of lights only verbal statements of the initiators of the labyrinth. This year they mentioned it would be 2400 lights. The number must be between 2400 and 2500 based on the number of tealights which were be used.--Urmelbeauftragter 10:33, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
ALT2: * ... that in the Centre for Christian Meditation and Spirituality of the Diocese of Limburg it is possible to walk through a labyrinth of burning tealights (pictured)? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:45, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
It still isn't sourced. Gatoclass (talk) 12:05, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
What do you mean with it? On the registration page the number of 2500 lights is mentioned.--Urmelbeauftragter 15:21, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Okay, thanks Urmelbeauftragter, but the article still contains three uncited paragraphs, they will need to be cited before the article can be promoted. Gatoclass (talk) 15:52, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Which paragraphs do you mean?--Urmelbeauftragter 16:11, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
I've added an additional source for the advent labyrinth.--Urmelbeauftragter 10:40, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg (Not a full review) The article is presently ineligible because some non-lead paragraphs do not have inline citations, per D2 of the DYK Supplementary guidelines. The Transport connections section has no citations, in the Program section, the second paragraph has no citation, and in the History section, the short, one-sentence paragraph has no citation. North America1000 10:07, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
I have added inline citations for these points except of one. I haven't found a source for that the centre was the first one of it's kind in Germany (History section). I've started a request at the centre for more information. I heared about it in the past but I haven't found a written source until now.--Urmelbeauftragter 21:40, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 28

Ahmad Hashim Abd al-Isawi

  • Reviewed: Y Sap mine
  • Comment: Ahmad Hashim Abd al-Isawi is notable for being a terrorist. I have no idea how to make a hook that is not going to reflect on him negatively. I don't know if he is still alive, I have seen comment that he was executed but not found an RS on point. On sourcing, I think everything is in this New York Post piece and this IrishCentral piece. CNN provides details on the attack itself, and this page of Robinson's book references his earning the name.

5x expanded by EdChem (talk). Self-nominated at 10:20, 3 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg I have some issues with these proposed hooks. Firstly, if he hasn't been convicted of anything, this is a potential BLPCRIME violation. Secondly, the source doesn't describe him as a "mastermind" of the ambush, just as a guy who was identified to be involved with it. Gatoclass (talk) 13:08, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
  • @Gatoclass: Thanks for your comments. I was fairly sure that al-Isawi was dead, having seen a mention of it, but have now found the source I was seeking.
    • From The American Spectator: "a sailor assigned to guard [al-Isawi] before the terrorist’s transfer to Iraqi custody (where he was subsequently tried and hanged), admitted leaving the prisoner unattended in violation of his orders" [8]
    • From the IrishCentral piece: "Intelligence suggested the mastermind of the contractors’ murders was Ahmad Hashim Abd al-Isawi, the so-called “Butcher of Fallujah.”" [9]
    • From CNN: "U.S. authorities accuse [al-Isawi] of being the mastermind in the slayings and mutilation of four U.S. contractors in Falluja in 2004, one of the Iraq war's most notorious crimes against Americans" [10]
    • From Fox News: "McCabe was accused of punching last year is Ahmed Hashim Abed, the suspected mastermind of the grisly killings six years ago." [11]
    • From the book by Patrick Robinson: "All through the year, from the very moment the American bodies were strung up on the bridge, the city of Fallujah, riddled as it was by Sunni insurgents, rallied to the shadowy battle cry of Ahmad Hashim Abd Al-Isawi. It was now common knowledge that he had been directly responsible for the murders" ... "For Al-Isawi, however, the battle for Fallujah had put him well and truly on the map. In the coming years the old warlord al-Zarqawi would be forever looking over his shoulder at the rise of the newly titled "Butcher of Fallujah" as he moved ever forward on his blood-soaked journey to the peak of al-Qaeda command." ... "this public uproar on the Fallujah bridge, demonstrating the barbarity of the terrorist organization, did not ring true to al-Zarqawi's mind-set. The analysts at Langley believed it was out of character. ... They drew the inevitable conclusion: there was a new man on the block in Fallujah, a fiend in desert robes. And as 2004 lurched bloodily forward, he was causing pandemonium in the city. Al-Isawi had personally started on the rubble-strewn streets the worst close-combat fighting of the entire war." and, quoting a SEAL Team commander's briefing "Gentlemen, for us there's nothing so difficult as searching for the unknown. But right now, the way it's been for God knows how long, we have only a name for this bastard Isawi. There's no more doubt that he strung up the bodies on the bridge, matter of fact he seems proud of that. But we've never been able even to see the sonofabitch. Right now we don't even have a friggin' photograph." [12]
    • From Greenwich Time: "Ahmad Hashim Abd al-Isawi was the mastermind behind the 2004 murder and mutilation of four American contractors in Iraq, and his capture was a major priority." [13]
  • The American Spectator source confirms he was tried and executed by the Iraqis, which is now in the article, and I think deals with the BLPCRIME issue (which you were correct to raise, obviously). The other sources go to both his role as the planner / initiator of the Fallujah ambush in 2004, and to the use of the term "mastermind". There is certainly more to add to the article, al-Isawi was busy between 2004 and 2009 and is believed responsible for hundreds of deaths. Hopefully this addresses your concerns. EdChem (talk) 05:53, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Okay, the fact that the subject has been executed alleviates the concern about BLPCRIME, thanks. However, I do still have some concerns. The story appears to have gotten very little coverage anywhere except in mostly conservative sources reviewing the Robinson book. And I note that three of the sources you cite above refer to the subject as the suspected mastermind or equivalent wording. I think I would probably be more comfortable if he was referred to in the hooks and article as, say, "alleged mastermind" and/or "so-called butcher" because I don't think we should be uncritically parroting sources which may be inclined to a particular worldview. Gatoclass (talk) 07:20, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
Actually, the coverage is also around the release of Higbie's books (Greenwich Time source), and around the time of the acquittals in the courts-martial (one Fox and one CNN source, above):
  • From the London Daily Telegraph: A US Navy Seal accused of being involved in an assault on a suspected Iraqi terrorist mastermind has gone on trial in a case which has caused outrage across America. [14] this source clarifies that he was in Iraqi custody when he testified, and denied involvement in the Fallujah ambush - though his own trial was pending at the time.
  • From CNN: McCabe is the last of three SEALS accused of abusing Ahmed Hashim Abed, who was arrested in Iraq in September and charged with orchestrating the slayings of four U.S. contractors in Falluja, Iraq, in 2004. [15]
  • Another New York Post: Legal experts had predicted he’d get off based on the cloudy evidence in the case: the testimony of Ahmed Hashim Abed — accused of masterminding the killings of four US contractors in Fallujah in 2004 — and a Navy master at arms who claims he saw McCabe throw a punch to Abed’s gut. [16]
Having said that, it is clear that almost every source uses some variant on "alleged" before mastermind, so that is needed in the hooks, which I have modified. I've added more sources from away from the right, though the story did make most impact on the right. I've tried to avoid the extreme stuff.  :) EdChem (talk) 12:28, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
That looks better, thanks. I will take a closer look at this article in the near future to try and wrap the nomination. If I haven't posted here in a day or two, feel free to ping me. Gatoclass (talk) 14:39, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
  • @Gatoclass: Any chance you could have a further look? Thanks. EdChem (talk) 00:37, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 29

Edith Shackleton Heald

Created by Edwardx (talk). Self-nominated at 21:51, 6 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article is new enough, long enough, and neutrally written. It's content flow is not fantastic, but perhaps understandable, in a somewhat obscure subject. No issues with verifiability. QPQ is complete. Here's my issue, though, and I'll admit that it is not 100% policy based: I would really like to find a hook that is not dependent on the subject's sexuality. Is that really all we can find that is "hooky" about the person? @Edwardx: what do you think? Vanamonde (talk) 13:24, 11 January 2017 (UTC)


5x expanded by Homiho (talk). Self-nominated at 22:10, 29 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This nomination was made 10 days after expansion began, but I will IAR for a DYK newcomer. (Please note on your next submission that the article should be nominated within 7 days of creation or the beginning of expansion.) 5x expansion verified. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits.
  • I did some copyediting on the article, but am unable to figure out the "Corrections" section. Could you please copyedit these sentences so they make sense in English:

There are many corrections made on the book of Makasib. One of the corrections is relation to Shaykh Ansari Congress. The first Volume published in 1415 lunar hijrah and other volumes namely vol2 till vol6 gradually published until 1420 lunar hijrah. This publication written out of one transcript and six published texts. The other correction is to bibliographical information as follow:Hosein Amr Allahi and Muhammad Reza Fakir as inverstigators. The book has published by institution of Islamic publication in Qom.

  • There is a "clarification needed" tag in the lead which needs to be addressed, and I added a similar tag in the paragraph under "Editions": were these editions published, or just completed?
  • Regarding the hook, I think you should focus on this article's subject first, like:
  • ALT1: ... that Makasib and Faraed al-Osul by Sheikh Morteza Ansari (d. 1864) are currently used as textbooks on Shia law?
  • Please note, however, that you are citing a 2000 source and saying the textbook is "currently" used. Also, you don't say where the textbook is being used. Would you have another, more updated source that could confirm these facts? Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 23:02, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

LifeRing Secular Recovery

  • Reviewed: Sudhindranath Kumar
  • Comment: Recovery self help is a positive thing to feature on the front page. *Edit: might this be a good one for January after the Christmas and New Year party excesses?

5x expanded by Mramoeba (talk). Self-nominated at 22:05, 29 November 2016 (UTC).

  • The article does not qualify as a x5 expansion, but I think this can be fixed fairly easily. The pre-expansion size was 2066 characters and the present version is 8525 characters, an expansion of 4.126...x. The required size is thus 5 x 2066 = 10,330 characters and so 1805 further characters are needed. I said this was fairly easy to achieve, and it is, because the text in the publications section is presently ineligible as a list, yet contains prose descriptions of the books. Reworking this section out of list format should provide the extra characters without needing to write additional text.
  • The nomination was made in sufficient time.
  • A couple of referencing issues need to be addressed. Reference 24 is a bare url, which needs to be fixed. There are in-text references to two court cases, which need to be changed to proper references. Reference 7 needs to have the authors' qualifications removed.
  • File:LifeRing Circle2.png is marked as being CC-BY-SA 4.0 and Own Work of Noeismet, but has a registered trademark symbol on it. The main image File:LifeRing Secular Recovery.png has a NFCC rationale, which makes me even more doubtful about the claim of a free license and own work for the ring-only image. Though neither is used for the hook, I think this should be addressed. Might need to consult an admin with broad image licensing experience. If the ring image is allowed, it should have a caption.
  • The article could use a copyedit, the language is unpolished in parts and can be tightened. This will shorten the article, but that should not be a problem once the extra text from the publications section is added.
  • QPQ check shows no prior DYK credits, though there is one on Mramoeba's talk page. Either way, no QPQ review was required, though one has been provided. FYI, Mramoeba, in future reviews, it would be good to include mention of a check for copyvio / plagiarism issues. On which topic, I have done an Earwig copyvio check and the only issues it highlights are direct quotations and thus not problematic.
  • I think the hook is interesting – non-AA approaches get relatively little attention – but the reference provided above is weak, IMO. It comes from a website with a disclaimer about accuracy, and I would prefer a strong reference like pages 189-190 of Addiction: A Reference Encyclopedia by Howard Padwa and Jacob Cunningham, and published by ABC-CLIO. I don't doubt that the hook is accurate but all the parts of it are not supported by direct references after the sentence in which each appears, which is a DYK requirement.
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Additional work is needed to address the above points, but none is particularly difficult. The expansion of the article is impressive and I anticipate this hook to be one which will attract attention. Regards. EdChem (talk) 14:38, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Firstly thanks to EdChem for such a comprehensive and helpful review. Apologies for not getting to the edits sooner as I was away. I have addressed the x5 expansion issue and reformatted the 'Publications' section which looks better now anyway. I have addressed the references, with the exception of the legal ones which I am still looking at. It seems a little complicated to find them free of charge but I will either locate a proper legal ref when I have properly looked into it, or reword it to show the refs are taken from a secondary source. Re the logo I have sent a message to a friend, I must admit this whole area I find complicated, if necessary it looks like I can re-upload a low-res logo image under a fair use license. I will wait to see what he says first to see if it's necessary. Copy edit done by me, particularly the lede which was a bit wordy. I think over time editors will iron out anything that doesn't read well. I'm mindful the subject matter is largely an American product and I write in British English so someone else may have a better phrasing in some areas. The suggested ref was a good one, and I used an additional piece of info from it lower in the article, thanks again. However in the hook I wanted (thinking that the DYK might be useful to someone looking for sobriety) to make it known that LifeRing has a strong online presence for people who either cannot or are unwilling to get to face to face meetings, and unfortunately this ref doesn't do this, and the website address in the piece is unfortunately the old one which no longer has a redirect. Next I'm going to look at 2 other refs I have and see if they are stronger for the hook. Thanks again to EdChem for taking the time to review. Mramoeba (talk) 10:26, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
Logos now uploaded with, I hope, correct licenses, and new ref added to the hook. Mramoeba (talk) 10:26, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
  • @Mramoeba: My apologies for not getting back to this earlier. The early part of 2017 was difficult for me and, to be honest, I forgot about it. Thanks to Northamerica1000 for the note on my talk page reminding me of it.
    • I have posted to Wikipedia:Media copyright questions#Images relating to LifeRing Secular Recovery for a check on the NFCC rationales.
    • The expansion now qualifies as x5
    • Refs 7 and 24 fixed
    • I'll fix the legal refs, I just meant that cases belong in the reference list and also do a quick ce - see my upcoming article edit, Mramoeba
    • I am uncomfortable with the addition to produce the sentence: "LifeRing encourages an experimental approach to maintaining [[abstinence]] from addictive drugs or alcohol and its members are free to incorporate ideas from any source they find useful, including other addiction recovery groups and meetings often take place in the same location as other 12-step recovery groups.<ref name=AARE2016/>" Experimental approach is open to misinterpretation (I think it refers to each individual tailoring the approach to their own situation, rather than mandating a single approach). Other 12-step recovery groups makes LifeRing sound like a 12-step program, which is inaccurate as I understand it. (Please advise if I am wrong about these.) Perhaps something like: "LifeRing encourages each participant to tailor an approach to maintaining [[abstinence]] from addictive drugs or alcohol to his or her own needs and experiences. Members are free to incorporate ideas from any source they find useful, including other addiction recovery groups. Meetings often take place in the locations also used by 12-step recovery groups.<ref name=AARE2016/>"
    • The ring logo on its own needs a caption, and preferable a reference-supported comment about its use as a signifier to other members.
    • Getting closer.  :) EdChem (talk) 21:27, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
That suggestion reads much better, I can see what you mean regarding the wording, it makes it sound like a 12 step group, which it is not. I'm on a mobile device, I can't easily fix until I get back in a couple of days. Feel free to change that or I can do it when I get back, you sound busy!. Thanks for your help btw. Mramoeba (talk) 21:36, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Thomas J. Hanley Jr.

  • ... that despite joining the Army in 1912 and a series of successful appointments throughout the United States, Thomas J. Hanley Jr. did not serve in a combat station until 1944? Source:"Major General Thomas James Hanley Jr.". Retrieved November 29, 2016. 
    • ALT1:...that Air Force Major General Thomas J. Hanley Jr. did not serve in a combat position until 1944 despite his joining the military in 1912 and serving with distinction in all previous assignments? same as above
  • Reviewed:Operation PBFORTUNE
  • Comment: In the process of reviewing another DYK, will list it here once I have.

Created by GrinandGregBearit (talk). Self-nominated at 20:48, 29 November 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg @GrinandGregBearit: This article is new enough and long enough. There are several paragraphs without any citations, so these needs to be fixed before this can proceed. Reading the article, I see that he had postings to various training and other roles, but I see no sentence that states that he had no combat position before 1944. What is the definition of a "combat position"? So I am not satisfied that the hook meets requirements. Either we need a suitably referenced statement in the article supporting the hook, or we need a different hook. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:37, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 30

Big Sur Land Trust

  • ... that the Big Sur Land Trust pioneered the “conservation buyer” method of preserving land by offering owners economic incentive to sell land at below-market rates, protecting around 40,000 acres (16,000 ha) since 1978? Source: "According to Zad Leavy, the trust’s longtime executive director, BSLT pioneered the “conservation buyer” method ..." The Land of Big Sur: Conservation on the California Coast page 15; "Since its founding in 1978, the mission of the Land Trust has been to conserve significant lands and waters of California’s Central Coast. The result: about 40,000 acres of magnificent land is undisturbed." About Us: Big Sur Land Trust

Created by Btphelps (talk). Self-nominated at 20:55, 5 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The hook is over 200 characters, and very wordy. Could you come up with a sharper hook? Yoninah (talk) 23:10, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Suggested ALT1: ...that the Big Sur Land Trust pioneered the “conservation buyer” method in 1978 to protect around 40,000 acres (16,000 ha) in Big Sur by giving owners an incentive to sell land at below-market rates? — btphelps (talk to me) (what I've done) 18:03, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • @Btphelps: Thank you. Would you consider cutting that down more to make a hook, instead of revealing the article?
  • ALT1a: ... that in 1978 the Big Sur Land Trust pioneered the "conservation buyer" method to protect around 40,000 acres (16,000 ha) of land? Yoninah (talk) 22:43, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that hook is set. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:39, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 1

Acer whitebirdense

  • ... that leaves of the fossil maple Acer whitebirdense had been identified as viburnum, sycamore, and blackberry?

Source: "Brown (1937b) correctly interpreted the Whitebird leaves and fruits of Acer as representing Eriocarpa; Chaney and Axelrod (1959), in contrast, decided that some of the Whitebird leaves represented Rubra. Further, Ashlee's (1934) Viburnum whitebirdensis has been totally ignored by all subsequent workers. Only one species of Acer is present in the collections from Whitebird, and this species is the same as Ashlee's (1934) "Viburnum". (Also the synonyms list on pg.91)" (Wolfe & Tanai, 1987)

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self-nominated at 21:39, 1 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Hey, Kevmin! New enough. Very easily long enough. I think the hook could benefit from being rephrased a bit, though, and linked to the articles on the other plants. Something like ALT 1: "... that the fossil leaves of the maple species Acer whitebirdense had earlier been misidentified as belonging to viburnum, sycamore, or blackberry?" and could you edit the relevant passage of the article to reference the common names of the plants so the hook is better supported in the article? Abyssal (talk) 15:34, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
  • @Abyssal: Generally with DKY noms, its best to keep extra links to a minimum, as too many blue links make it hard to tell where the target article is. I typically avoid vernacular names since they are highly subjective. Sycamores in the UK are Acer while sycamores in the US are Platanus, Rubus is anything blackberry/raspberry/salmonberry/thimbleberry etc. --Kevmin § 15:58, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
  • @Kevmin:I think the usage of scientific or common names should be consistent between the hook and the article, so if you want to avoid common names in the article, you should avoid them in the hook as well, so perhaps we should go with something like: ALT 2: "... that the fossil leaves of the maple species Acer whitebirdense had earlier been misattributed to the genera Viburnum, Platanus, and Rubus?" Abyssal (talk) 16:16, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
I would be more comfortable with that option then with adding inaccuracy through vernacular names.--Kevmin § 13:53, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that hook has been set; the original review only covered newness and length, omitting many of the DYK criteria. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:46, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Looks good. I feel that the hook may be overly technical for a general audience but would be of interest to a reader interested in the broad topic anyway, probably good enough for DYK. I notice that the initializing of Acer to A. is not consistent in the article, that should be an easy fix and shouldn't affect the article's DYK eligibility anyway. I will change the hook cited to "yes" if I can get the full document to download. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:41, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Ivanvector, is your opinion on the hook referring to the original one or the ALT2 given in the text? And do you prefer one over the other, or think that either might be unacceptable? Thanks for doing the review. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:30, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
My opinion refers to ALT2, I thought that was the hook that was decided on and that would be my preference. It's just my thought that scientific names are often not very accessible to casual, everyday readers and they might not be interested in a hook with four of them in it, however it is the right way to present the information. Wikilinking the genera might be a good way to overcome this, and I think wouldn't draw attention away from the hooked article. Also, I did verify the citation, the 50MB PDF took me two hours to download. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:47, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

William Hoapili Kaauwai

William Hoapili Kaʻauwai
William Hoapili Kaʻauwai
  • Reviewed: INS Vikrant (R11) 2
  • Comment: Kindly suggest other hooks; this is a very interesting individuals led an exciting life.

Created by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 09:25, 1 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This page existed as a new, unreviewed article in February 2013. KAVEBEAR has fully referenced it and brought it up to speed. But since this is not a BLP, I'm not sure if it qualifies for DYK unless it was expanded 5x. Pinging @BlueMoonset: for advice here. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 06:52, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Everything before December 1 was the edit history of User:Kuauli's userspace draft. See my request for the history merge here,--KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:01, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Oh, that's great. I was wondering what was going on here. OK, here is a full review: New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. Offline hook ref AGF and cited inline. I think the hook could be jazzed up a bit with that word "unauthorized" that you used in the article, as:
  • ALT1: ... that William Hoapili Kaʻauwai (pictured) traveled to Europe with Queen Emma, but made an unauthorized side trip to New Zealand to recruit Māori immigrants for the Kingdom of Hawaii?
  • QPQ done. Yoninah (talk) 07:06, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Let's go with your suggestion.-KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:15, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks. But since I added new information, I'll have to leave this to another reviewer to approve. Yoninah (talk) 07:26, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

The Wall (2017 film)

  • Reviewed: Soon.

Created by Captain Assassin! (talk). Self-nominated at 07:28, 1 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg A QPQ review appears to be needed before this can move forward. North America1000 02:40, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg It has been a month since the lack of a QPQ was noted, and the nominator has been pinged more than once about it. Marking for closure. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:57, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Operation Homecoming

  • ... that a group of 20 American prisoners of war at the Hanoi Hilton refused discharge during Operation Homecoming because they feared their early release would be used as North Vietnamese propaganda? Source: Fretwell, Peter and Taylor Baldwin Kiland (2013). Lessons from the Hanoi Hilton: Six Characteristics of High-Performance Teams. Annapolis, MD: Naval Institute Press. p. 112-113. ISBN 978-1-61251-217-4. OCLC 813910294. 

5x expanded by Acfrue (talk). Self-nominated at 18:29, 1 December 2016 (UTC).

Symbol possible vote.svg Length and history verified. However, the section that supports the hook is largely uncited. Daniel Case (talk) 23:45, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 2

Tony Mott

Created by Odysseus voyage14 (talk). Self-nominated at 07:03, 7 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Comment only ", featuring the world's greatest musicians" should be trimmed, as the preceding text makes it redundant, and brevity is preferable. Edwardx (talk) 01:33, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Hello Edwardx (talk) yes I agree, for brevity delete “featuring the world's greatest musicians" or delete “on 900 magazine covers” ie.
“... that Australia's premier rock photographer, Tony Mott, has had 30,000 photographs published in 20 countries on 900 magazine covers” or,
“... that Australia's premier rock photographer, Tony Mott, has had 30,000 photographs published in 20 countries featuring the world's greatest musicians? Odysseus voyage14 (talk) 10:56, 10 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, Odysseus voyage14. I would prefer the first of those, and thinking again, another small tweak, changing "on 900 magazine covers" to "including 900 magazine covers". Thus an ALT1 hook:
  • ALT1 ... that Australia's premier rock photographer, Tony Mott, has published more than 30,000 photographs in 20 countries, including 900 magazine covers?
  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. ALT1 hook ref verified and cited inline. I tweaked the hook slightly. No QPQ needed for nominator with less than 5 DYK credits. I read through the whole article and made a few small edits, in addition to reducing the large amount of repetitive linking. I added one cn tag to the last paragraph under "Personal life". Since Wikipedia is timeless, we try to avoid saying "today" and "currently". Kindly add some years to these two sentences. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:54, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Grand Matsu Temple

  • ... that Tainan's Grand Matsu Temple was built as the palace of a Ming prince fleeing the Qing conquest of China?
    • ALT1:... that 5 concubines of the Prince of Ningjing hanged themselves one after the other in the rear hall of Tainan's Grand Matsu Temple?
    • ALT2:... that Shi Lang convinced the Kangxi Emperor to convert a Ming palace into the Grand Matsu Temple to win support for the Qing conquest of Taiwan?
    • ALT3:... that Tainan's Grand Matsu Temple honors the deified form of a medieval Chinese shamaness?
    • ALT4:... that Tainan's Grand Matsu Temple was the first in China to honor Mazu as the Empress of Heaven?
    • ALT5:... that Tainan's Grand Matsu Temple was almost privatized under Japanese rule but was spared at the last minute?
    • ALT6:... that singles looking for love in the Taiwanese city of Tainan visit the altar of the Old Man under the Moon at the Grand Matsu Temple?
  • Reviewed: Will do Tank steering systems
  • Comment: @Reviewers: Don't worry. You only need to verify the hook(s) you are most interested in. If it's ALT3, I can bring over cites from the Mazu article if necessary to support the point.

Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 02:46, 6 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg The article is new enough and long enough. It does not seem to have copyright violations. It uses inline citations. I assumed good faith for the offline sources. But the "Tainan City Guide" source does not seem very reliable. According to this page, "This blog is a one-man operation done during my spare time. I have no editors or fact-checkers." The content citing the "Tainan City Guide" source needs to be removed or edited to use citations to reliable sources. The image is freely licensed. The nominator says "Will do", so the QPQ requirement will be met when they do the review. The article needs some more work to be eligible. Gulumeemee (talk) 07:38, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg With respect, you have confused WP:RS with WP:BLACKLIST. You're absolutely right that you shouldn't use a hook sourced to something that isn't up to WP:RS standards; that's part of the DYK process. All the same, we don't just blank information because the source isn't perfect. If there's any actual material you find questionable, I'm more than happy to deal with it but it's better to have some source than no source and it's better to have some information than no information.
    You're welcome to find a well-sourced hook or to hand the review off to another reviewer. — LlywelynII 08:39, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I don't understand what you mean by "confused WP:RS with WP:BLACKLIST". The blacklist is a list of spammers that prevents external links from being added. While it may sometimes be acceptable to have unreliably sourced material that is not related to living persons, I don't think that is acceptable in articles for DYK. WP:DYKRULES states "Nominations should be rejected if an inspection reveals that they are not based on reliable sources". I did not say that the material must be blanked; I said that they need to be removed or edited so that it is based on reliable sources. Gulumeemee (talk) 05:16, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
  • That rule is to keep us from having nonsense articles on Trump's endorsement by the pope, not to require editors to blank perfectly valid information irrelevant to the hook to process the nomination, followed by adding it back once the process is complete. If the information being cited were germane to a hook or dubious, you'd have a point; but it's not and you really don't. That said, it's an honest mistake and you're more than welcome to stand by your guns and claim it as a QPQ. — LlywelynII 22:16, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
  • @LlywelynII: After thinking about it, this is my opinion. It is OK if you don't agree. Wikipedia:Verifiability requires content to be attributable to reliable sources. Even if something is true, if it cannot be attributed to a reliable source, it should not be in Wikipedia. The DYK rules force you to prove that the content really is verifiable. Blanking the content is not the only way to adhere to the rules. You can also remove the citations to unreliable sources and add citations to reliable sources. It may be true that English sources on this location are mostly informal, but per WP:NONENG, while English sources are preferred, reliable sources do not necessarily have to be in English. Gulumeemee (talk) 09:31, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I got it that it's your opinion that you look down on the source. WP:IAR trumps obnoxious rule thumping and pushes us back to thinking about why the rule exists. It's there to remove bullshit. Howevermuch you dislike the source, none of the items cited to it are actually dubious and noone (at all) is actually well-served by removing the information or cites to where it came from. If other editors come by and think that I'm wrong about that, I'll blank the material for the DYK process and add it back later. In any case, you really don't have to keep repeating yourself. It's a good-faith mistake and you're welcome to use this for QPQ purposes. — LlywelynII 20:13, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
  • This conversation continues on my talk page. For the record, I used strongish language above but absolutely understand Gulumeemee's GOODFAITH objections. I happen to think it's not productive here (few English sources, non-dubious information, non-POVy reporting by someone who visited the temple and is presumably repeating on-site information) but am perfectly willing to remove it if editors feel GLMM's objections are well-taken in this case. The article is still long enough, removing all of the material from that source. — LlywelynII 04:19, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Assuming the admins don't really need me to blank three lines of text of perfectly valid info from a quasi-reliable source—which I can do to process the nomination but consider a disservice to our readers and not an improvement—this still needs a new reviewer. — LlywelynII 22:16, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 3

Giovanni Ambrogio Migliavacca

Created/expanded by Voceditenore (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 10:07, 10 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg The article was created seven days before the nomination, and it is long enough. There do not seem to be any copyright violations. The article is neutral and uses inline citations. I assume good faith for the sources in Italian and the offline sources. The hook is cited and neutral. The QPQ is done. I have one question. The second paragraph of the Life and career section says that he moved to Vienna between 1748 and 1752, but the source cited at the end of the paragraph does not seem to verify that. A Google translation of reference number 2 seems to verify the fact. I do not know Italian, so can you check if the original Italian verifies that he moved to Vienna between 1748 and 1752? If it does, please add an inline citation to the paragraph. Gulumeemee (talk) 06:50, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, good point, citation added, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:49, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Symbol voting keep.svg This is good to go. Gulumeemee (talk) 23:37, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but I don't see anything about elephants and camels in the Italian source. Yoninah (talk) 21:55, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

501(h) election

Source: "Since the spending limitations are based solely on dollars spent, a [501(h)] election is quite favorable to any charity that can engage in “cheap” lobbying, for example on the Web or using volunteers.... The ability to use the Internet to influence the public (and perhaps Congress as well) on legislative matters renders the dollar limitations imposed by the Expenditure Test useless in many cases." [18], p. 781

Created by Antony-22 (talk). Self-nominated at 10:57, 6 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New within past seven days as of nomination. Article greatly exceeds the 1500 character of prose requirement. Passes Earwig's copyvio detector; what text that is copied is quoted and attributed, rather than just taken. The article is neutral in tone, and decently sourced. Hook is well beneath 200 characters (132, including "..."). Hook is sourced. Level of interest should be decent; 501c3 status is of interest to a broad enough base, I think. QPQ easily satisfied [19][20][21] and more. The two images on the article are free license with no problems. --Hammersoft (talk) 20:07, 23 January 2017 (UTC)


Drawing of a flea by Robert Hooke in his Micrographia
Drawing of a flea by Robert Hooke in his Micrographia
  • ... that the flea was one of the objects studied under the microscope and illustrated by Robert Hooke in 1665 in his pioneering book Micrographia?
  • Reviewed: Bhaktha Sri Thyagaraja
  • Comment: The image is its own reference. Links to Robert Hooke and Micrographia are in the image caption rather than in the hook.

Improved to Good Article status by Chiswick Chap (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 09:43, 4 December 2016 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg It's good to see a vital article here – better than most FA. And it's a hook about Hooke! The hook could perhaps use a copy-edit to tighten it but that's not a show-stopper. I'll provide an ALT after the review to show what I mean. Note that we need (pictured) in the hook too. Andrew D. (talk) 20:31, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

  • ALT1 ... that the flea (pictured) was illustrated by Robert Hooke in 1665 in his pioneering book Micrographia?
Thanks for the review. ALT1 is better and I have struck ALT0. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 21:00, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 4

Charu Mihir Sarkar, Bhabatosh Soren

Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 04:32, 5 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg These two articles are new enough and long enough. The hook facts are supported by inline citations, the articles are neutral and I detected no copyright issues. As the three ministers all resigned on the same day, there was presumably a reason for this. Why did they resign? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:38, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
  • There were multiple reasons, but all boil down to the climate of disagreement between Bangla Congress and CPI(M). Bangla Congress had 4 ministers in the Second United Front Cabinet, including the Chief Minister. On Feb 19 these three ministers resigned, on orders from their party. A few days later the Chief Minister resigned as well, a move that brought the end of the cabinet. --Soman (talk) 12:17, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 5

Emany Mata Likambe

  • ... that Emany Mata Likambe, Congo's former ambassador to Poland, was discovered homeless and living on the streets of Warsaw in 1994 after the Congolese government had failed to pay him for over two years?

Created/expanded by ErieSwiftByrd (talk). Self-nominated at 07:22, 12 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New, long enough, NPOV, and with an interesting, well-cited hook. It's the editor's first DYK, so no QPQ required. This is ready to go. (I don't think the lack of links to it are a problem for DYK, but as a general matter the author should try to link to it from some relevant article.) --Coemgenus (talk) 16:47, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Note: what is now the Democratic Republic of the Congo was called "Zaire" in 1994. Shouldn't the hook be changed to reflect this? "Congo" seems anachronistic in this context. — Kpalion(talk) 01:25, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Packera obovata

  • ... that spoon-leaved ragwort is sometimes eaten by sheep despite being toxic to many grazing mammals? Source: "The foliage of this and other ragworts is toxic to many mammalian herbivores, although sheep are more tolerant of it (Georgia, 1913)."

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 10:50, 10 December 2016 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Good job. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 14:54, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

Han Zhuo

  • ... that China's Xia dynasty was overthrown for a time by the archer Houyi and his advisor Han Zhuo?
    • ALT1:... that, according to Chinese legend, Houyi's wife conspired to overthrow her husband with Han Zhuo, who then tried to feed the archer's body to his sons?
    • ALT2:... that Chinese legends state Houyi's wife pushed his advisor Han Zhuo to overthrow her husband?
    • ALT3:... that Chinese stories hold that Han Zhuo overthrew the archer Houyi only to be overthrown himself by the Xia?
    • ALT4:... that Chinese legend holds that Han Zhuo tried to feed the archer Houyi's body to his sons and killed them when they refused to eat it?
    • ALT5:... that, in Chinese legend, the sons of the archer Houyi were killed for refusing Han Zhuo’s command to eat their father's body?
    • ALT6:... that traditional accounts of the Xia dynasty state that the archer Houyi left day-to-day administration to Han Zhuo, who then seduced his wife and usurped his kingdom?
    • ALT7:... that Han Zhuo was legendary Chinese advisor who usurped his king's throne, seduced his wife, and executed his children when they refused to eat their father's body?
    • ALT8:... that the Chinese usurper Han Zhuo’s son Ao is still worshipped as a culture hero responsible for the invention of the ship?
  • Reviewed: Will do Mapping of Venus
  • Comment: @Reviewers: Don't worry. You only need to check up on the hook(s) you're most interested in seeing promoted.
    I'd kind of like the hook to obliquely note that western scholars don't really think the Xia existed in anything like the way it's presented in traditional Chinese history, but I'm open to using whichever phrasing you like best from any of the hooks.

Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 05:13, 7 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg A QPQ review appears to be needed before this can move forward. North America1000 20:21, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Well, the review can still happen now. I'll get the QPQ in the next day or two. I had a stack to get through. Done. — LlywelynII 06:08, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed now that QPQ has been submitted. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:42, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Deo Prakash Rai

Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 23:00, 5 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The sentence giving the hook facts has three citations but I can access none of them, so the facts are accepted in good faith. The article is neutral and I detected no copyright issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:12, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg It would be hookier if you said he was arrested on suspicion of being a communist. I tried to read the snippet view in footnote 3 and wondered if this also mentions that another politician was trying to curry sexual favors from him? Yoninah (talk) 18:10, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Sorry, I didn't see anything like that. --Soman (talk) 20:55, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I'm ok with ALT1. --Soman (talk) 07:31, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks. Calling on another reviewer to approve ALT1. Yoninah (talk) 11:15, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Krishnapada Ghosh

Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 15:32, 5 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Soman: This article is new enough and long enough. The article is neutral and neither Earwig nor I detected any policy issues. The hook has an inline citation but gives the impression that he was gaoled while he was Labour Minister, whereas he was actually imprisoned twenty years earlier. Can you rephrase the hook? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:39, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Symbol voting keep.svg Approving ALT1 and my rewrite, ALT1a, as being clearer and having inline citations for the hook facts. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:26, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote this, but I'm having trouble understanding how this is hooky. It doesn't even say what he was jailed for. What do you think about something like this:
  • ALT2: ... that during Krishnapada Ghosh's term as Labour Minister in the second United Front government of West Bengal, police were instructed not to intervene against striking workers?
  • However, I'm not able to find anything about this fact in pp. 59-60 of the source given. Yoninah (talk) 20:32, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Quote from the ref ""Controlling the ministries of home, labor and land, the party ordered the police not to interfere in class struggles in the cities - where labor militancy secured better wages, the registration of new trade unions and the legalization of gheraos" --Soman (talk) 22:25, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Thank you. What do you think about the ALT2 hook? Yoninah (talk) 22:27, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I'm ok with it. --Soman (talk) 22:37, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks. New reviewer needed for ALT2. Pinging @Cwmhiraeth:. Yoninah (talk) 22:49, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Approving ALT2 and striking the other hooks. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:31, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Bad Samaritans: The Myth of Free Trade and the Secret History of Capitalism

Created by Angie Chae (talk). Self-nominated at 05:04, 5 December 2016 (UTC).

Sudhir Chandra Das

  • ... that zoological gardens were added to Sudhir Chandra Das's ministerial portfolio in 1971?

Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 04:03, 5 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline but the source is not available to me. The article is neutral, and I detected no policy issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:50, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
*Comment QPQ confirmed. 7&6=thirteen () 13:56, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 6

Qard al-Hassan

  • ... that Qard al-Hassan is considered a "beautiful loan" in Islam, because the borrower is Allah and not the person who receives the loan? Sources: [23], [24]
    • ALT1:... that the person who receives the Qard al-Hassan must pay back only the whole amount of money with zero percent profit? Source: [25]
    • ALT2:... that in the Quran, Allah admires people by using the phrase “loan to Allah” when referring to Qard al-Hassan? Source: [26]

5x expanded by Saff V. (talk). Self-nominated at 09:08, 10 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg @Saff V.: Interesting topic! Just barely long enough at 1504 characters, new enough, Earwig detects no copyvios, QPQ satisfactory. The first source has been marked as self-published, so we need either some evidence of the reliability of the author, or it should be replaced with other sources. I prefer ALT0, and have made some tweaks for readability. Antony–22 (talkcontribs) 22:18, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Susan Dynarski

  • ... that economist Susan Dynarski, who advocates for simplifying the US Federal Student Aid application process, was the first member of her family to attend college? Source: “My dad was a high school dropout. And I’m a professor. I’ve testified before Congress, and I’ve gone to the White House, and I write for the New York Times, and all of this would have been completely unimaginable for my mother and my father. So education can be transformative,” Dynarski begins. However, Dynarski clearly recognizes how unusual her own experience is, citing “enormous disparities by income—by accident of birth—in who goes to college.” A huge barrier to college for low-income and first-generation students is the FAFSA, or Free Application for Federal Student Aid, with 108 questions and, as Dynarski says, “dozens of pages of arcane instructions.” Through extensive research, Dynarski has found that two simple questions could replace the FAFSA with minimal impact on aid calculations: 1) What is your income, and 2) What is your family size. Both questions, she explains, are already included in IRS tax forms, eliminating the need for a complicated form that presents a formidable barrier that stands “between low-income kids and the education they deserve.” Gerald R. Ford School of Public Policy News
  • review: I am exempt from the QPQ requirement because this was my first DYK nomination.

Created by EAWH (talk). Self-nominated at 20:37, 7 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Note: This is minor and hopefully can be fixed, but the article is presently ineligible because the short (separate) paragraph stating "She is married and has two children." does not have an inline citation, per D2 of the DYK Supplementary guidelines. North America1000 20:10, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I have removed the short paragraph without inline citation from the article. EAWH (talk) 02:21, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed. North America1000 03:17, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Long enough, nominated in timely fashion, no QPQ needed (2nd DYK). Hook is interesting, sufficiently short, neutral and not negative. However, I found a number of problems. Earwig found that substantial parts of the article are copied from a range of sources. Only one of the references in the article (ref 7) is independent of Dynarski & the institution she works for so assessing its neutrality is difficult. The hook might need tweaking; there's no reference stating she's primarily an economist and she seems to work primarily in education policy, and the sources aren't 100% clear on her being "the first member of her family to attend college" though she does say she is a "first-generation student". Also the quotation you give here in DYK is not cited immediately adjacent to the fact in the article, which is a requirement.
  • Other points not required by DYK: Much of the lead should instead be in the body. Some of the facts in the infobox need referencing. The infobox could do with slimming down; the students field is intended for notable students (ie people with articles or who should have them), the awards for highly notable awards (others can go in the text), the third website has no content. You could add a few (3–5 is good) "Selected publications" with some of the ones with high citations here. Hope all this is not too intimidating; Dynarski is obviously a notable and interesting subject, and I hope the article can be reworked to feature on DYK. Espresso Addict (talk) 08:49, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

History of Korean animation

Pororo statues
Pororo statues

Created by Flyordie0716 (talk), Berlinuno (talk), and Beatlehoon (talk). Nominated by Berlinuno (talk) at 06:51, 6 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Good to go: date, hook, image & everything else appear fine. Interesting topic. AGF on Korean references.Alexikoua (talk) 10:47, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The article needs a copyedit for English grammar. It also needs to be improved in the areas of the lead and presentation. It does not read like an encyclopedia article, but like a chatty magazine article. I have tagged it for these issues. Yoninah (talk) 21:33, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: I do not think the language issues are bad enough to stop this from going to DYK, through the merger is an interesting point. If merged, the new article might not fall under 5x expansion, through of course the target Korean animation is lower quality (mostly unreferenced). I am not sure if we should merge them... and since you have not added the merge tag, this is a bit of a moot question, is it? PS. I have merged parts of the article, but I think the dedicated history article can exist as a stand-alone one. I think the lead is ok, and the article can be DYKed.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:21, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I disagree. The History section in Korean animation is in dire need of sourcing, which this article has. It doesn't make sense to have a fork when the main article is so skimpy. I went ahead and started a merge proposal. Yoninah (talk) 17:42, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

The World Is Curved

  • ... that The World Is Curved argues that the era of massive wealth creation has led to the era of financial crises?

Created by KimDaeun (talk). Self-nominated at 06:17, 6 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg I consider that this article fails supplementary rule D7. This states "Articles that fail to deal adequately with the topic are also likely to be rejected. For example, an article about a book that fails to summarize the book's contents, but contains only a bio of the author and some critics' views, is likely to be rejected as insufficiently comprehensive." This article deals with the book's contents at inordinate length - I presume the sector headings are chapter titles - and deals with very little else. At the same time, the quality of the prose is variable; here is a flavour "Therefore, policy makers, and move a few years to get the global financial system has higher transparency and confidence in the future, and as a result we need to be more clearly that to achieve a high productive results." Cwmhiraeth (talk) 14:16, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I have tagged the article and explained the need for a complete rewrite on the talk page. However, I don't have a lot of hope for the page creator returning to fix this article, as it was a student assignment and the only Wikipedia article she ever worked on, and her last edit to the project was on December 12. Yoninah (talk) 22:47, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Aqueduct Racetrack (IND Rockaway Line)

Improved to Good Article status by Epicgenius (talk), Kew Gardens 613 (talk), and Tdorante10 (talk). Nominated by Epicgenius (talk) at 03:57, 6 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg QPQ review appears to be required before this can move forward. North America1000 19:57, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the reminder. I will do a QPQ soon. epicgenius (talk) 19:58, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I haven't forgotten about this. I will give myself time for QPQ shortly. epicgenius (talk) 03:06, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg QPQ has been performed. Full review needed. North America1000 23:43, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Cosmetics in Korea

Created by Youkseo (talk) and Sunhwa Hwang (talk). Nominated by Youkseo (talk) at 02:34, 6 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg size and age are ok, no copyvio detected, no QPQ required as new editors. Some referencing, blog appears to be notable person and content not too remarkable. However hook is vague and non-informative. Could apply to cosmetics anywhere really. Lead is also written in a vague and a promotional manner and needs to be rewritten. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:35, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 7

Further Continuing and Security Assistance Appropriations Act, 2017

Created by FoCuSandLeArN (talk) and Antony-22 (talk). Nominated by Antony-22 (talk) at 18:57, 14 December 2016 (UTC).

Peter Janssens

  • ... that when composer Peter Janssens subtitled his 1972 Menschensohn (Son of man), Ein Sacra-Pop-Musical, he introduced the term to Germany? Source: [29]

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 14:16, 14 December 2016 (UTC).

Pasang Lhamu Sherpa Akita

Created by David Eppstein (talk). Self-nominated at 22:37, 8 December 2016 (UTC).

  • ... ALT1 : ... that ... Pasang Lhamu Sherpa, one of the first Nepali women to climb K2, was named for the first Nepali woman to climb Everest? Source: "When Dawa Yangzum Sherpa, Pasang Lhamu Sherpa Akita and Maya Sherpa summited K2 on July 26, 2014, they were the first Sherpa and Nepalese women to climb it. Pasang Lhamu had been named after the first Nepalese woman who climbed Everest. " Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 17:13, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New enough, long enough, within policy (neutral, sourced, no copyvios); QPQ completed; hooks are appropriate and sourced. (Info about naming is near the end of the article.) I have suggested ALT1 as an alternative hook; it's interesting to know that she didn't get the same name by accident. Someone else will need to re-confirm the new hook so that this is good to go. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 17:23, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
  • FWIW I think the new hook is an improvement — thanks! —David Eppstein (talk) 18:35, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 8


  • ... that Queen Furra executed men for being bald, old or short?

Created by Abeshababe (talk) and Ipigott (talk). Nominated by Andrew Davidson (talk) at 01:30, 18 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Article is long enough and within policy. Hook is short enough. Two issues:
Article was created 10 days before nomination. Day before nom, expanded from 780 to 3160 characters / 129 words to 556 words. Neither is five fold expansion (4.05 and 4.31 respectively). Notifying @Andrew Davidson: additional expansion is needed.
Per source for the hook, this claim is from legend - two men escaped by "inventing platform shoes" and "inventing wigs". Hook should be rewritten to clarify this is folklore, not documented fact. Argento Surfer (talk)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Additionally, striking ALT0 as unsupported by its source. Even once you change the hook to fix the grammar (done) and to note that this was legend (done), there's nothing in the source mentioning age at all. — LlywelynII 15:52, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that Ethiopian legend holds that Queen Furra executed men for being bald, old, or short?
  • ALT2 ... that the legendary Queen Furra executed men for being bald, old, or short?
  • I have amended LlywelynII's action as it seems better to present alternate hooks separately so that the history of proposals is clear. The issue about age not being in the source is incorrect as the comment above quotes the source directly, "Then she ordered executions, particularly, of all the short and old bald men." LlywelynII's suggested hook is shown as ALT1 and my preferred revision is ALT2 as hooks should be short and succinct. I have done some expansion of the article since the review by Argento Surfer but still have more to do; Christmas has been a distraction. I am keen that we get a result here as the article was started by a new editor during the BBC editathon and it seems good to exhibit the work from such events. Andrew D. (talk) 18:21, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Restoring grammatical corrections. (Seriously, don't remove those.)
Striking ALT0—as amended—as a violation of DONTLIE (she's a legendary figure, not a historical one); striking ALT0, ALT1, ALT2 as still unsupported by the article or source.
I know this isn't your fault; it's mostly a result of bad policy. We should not be listing citations in the templates here at all. It confuses you as to what's actually in the article, which is the only thing that we're actually concerned with. The one you're giving here is not in the article, Wordpress blogs are not actually reliable sources, and your claim (as already discussed) is not supported by the actual source in the article. (This one.) It says she killed bald men and short men; your own source doesn't claim she killed old men who weren't bald, so I'm not sure why you're so hung up on this. Drop out the "old" and move on with your life and this nomination. — LlywelynII 15:51, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Reminder to Mssrs Shababe, Davidson, and Igott to let me know when there's a usable hook here. — LlywelynII 13:32, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
  • ALT3 ... that Queen Furra was reportedly styled the "Queen of the Women" (mentu biilo) rather than "Queen of Sidama" due to her partisanship for women? Source: "On this basis of her partisanship approach, she was deemed as mentu biilo {'Queen of the Women') and not the 'Queen of Sidama'" Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 15:13, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New enough (some stretching of guideline is allowable given queue length); long enough; within policy (neutral, cited, no close paraphrasing; acceptable use of cited quotations); QPQ not required for first-time editor; I have proposed two new hooks (above) which are both stated and cited. Someone else will need to re-review to confirm the new hooks. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 16:08, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks to Mary for picking this up and suggesting some new hooks. ALT3 is too stilted for my taste but ALT4 is more promising. I still reckon that the original hook is quite good though and so will continue to advocate for that. I have edited the article to ensure that there's an inline citation for it, along with the links provided above. Andrew D. (talk) 17:26, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Patrick Dehm

  • ... that when the theologian Patrick Dehm was suspended by the Bishop of Limburg, he founded an ecumenical association to continue the work for contemporary church music? Source: [30]

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 10:25, 15 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced. As all refs are in German, I did spot checks with Google Translate but did not find close paraphrasing. Foreign-language hook refs AGF. QPQ done. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 00:57, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg @Gerda Arendt and Yoninah: I was about to promote this but thought the hook needed modification because he was not the only person who founded the association, it seems to have been a joint enterprise. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:18, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
He found others who joined him in the protest and continuation of the work, but it was caused by him being unwanted, - can you or someone else word that? The hook doesn't say he was the only founder, and actually it seems common that there's more than one, - you need seeral people to staff the board. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
I have asked a question about this on the DYK discussion page. Meanwhile, could "promoting" be substituted for "the work for" in the hook? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:01, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Don't know, promoting sounds a bit promotional, and would you say "promoting love", "promoting peace"? I leave it to native speakers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:26, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
But you see, I can't understand the phrase "to continue the work for". What work is to be continued? What is the objective of the new association? Is the new association trying to encourage the use of "Neues Geistliches Lied", in preference to traditional church music? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:29, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
It's too much to put in a hook. Dehm and others worked for the diocese for NGL (new books, money for groups, - while more or less than traditional doesn't matter). The bishop fired Dehm, and he and the others went on to the same work, but ecumenical, no longer for the diocese. The diocese had been a leader within Germany, and suddenly lost the whole group, because of one remark Dehm made about the bishop's action. One of the many things that went wrong in the diocese under the "luxury bishop". --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:04, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Returning this hook to the nominations page as per discussion on my talk page. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:23, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
I referenced the publications, hope that helps, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:37, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: Thank you. There are still several "citation needed" tags however. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:43, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
Sorry, didn't see those, used to having to reference published works, which I'd think reference themselves. Again, away, more patience. The job/curse having to hunt for refs for things from the German Wikipedia is with me from my article #2 back in 2009, - it's not productive. I may decide to remove some facts, as not crucial anyway. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:24, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
I worked on them now. Strange: the Gotteslob has no list of authors, - sentence removed, can't check 900 numbers one by one ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:19, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Sicyos angulatus, Echinocystis

Wild cucumber
Wild cucumber
 Source: "A very bitter tea brewed from the roots is analgesic and is also used as a love potion" "A decoction of the vine has been used in the treatment of venereal disease."

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 11:25, 13 December 2016 (UTC).

  • starting review--Kevmin § 03:57, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg @Cwmhiraeth: Sicyos angulatus expansion new enough and long enough. hook portion cited and sourced with to verified references. No policy issues identified with the article. I would switch love potion and decoction so they correspond better to the species..--Kevmin § 16:24, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Echinocystis expansion new enough and long enough. The hook is referenced and the citations confirm the hook. I might cite Wisconsin to avoid nitpicking later. Also the range section is partially cited but the one citation does not cover all the information, I would suggest moving the USDA link to a citation for the section. as it was before the expansion. No policy issues were identified with the articles.
  • The opening sentences of the two articles are rather clunky with "gourd/melon/cucumber family" cucumbers are a melon (all are technically pepos so cutting it ti just "the gourd family" would match the other Cucurbitaceae articles.--Kevmin § 14:14, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
  • @Kevmin: Thanks for the review. I have changed the hook around to give ALT1 and made the other changes you suggested. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:20, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg Articles still meeting the DKY criteria and no policy issues identified in either, or copyvio problems. the nom looks good to go.--Kevmin § 16:18, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Cwmhiraeth, while Sicyos angulatus appears to have been expanded enough, when I use DYKcheck on Echinocystis it says the article is not a 5x expansion. In fact, it's about 3.5x: from 553 prose characters prior to the expansion to 1953 prose characters now. The article will need to be expanded to 2765 prose characters to meet the 5x expansion requirement. Is this feasible? BlueMoonset (talk) 02:36, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset and Cwmhiraeth: I have expanded Echinocystis to 3,653 characters (by my DYKcheck count), but the article will need a new reviewer now that I have added to it.--Kevmin § 04:28, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Most of the articles I expand are tiny stubs and I had completely failed to realise that this one was 553B before I began, and hence I had not expanded it enough. Thank you BlueMoonset for pointing it out and thank you Kevmin for expanding it so well. I have added your name to the credits. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:03, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Joint United States Public Affairs Office

Created/expanded by Acfrue (talk). Self-nominated at 19:52, 8 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg There are some sourcing issues with this article that need to be fixed. There's a citation needed tag at the bottom of the second paragraph of the "Operations" section, and the Barger source is missing page numbers. The intro also needs to be a bit more comprehensive as it isn't really a summary of the article as it currently stands. In addition, the nominator needs to do a quid pro quo review of another DYK nomination as required by the DYK rules. Other than that, the article was new enough at the time of the nomination, it's long enough, reliably sourced, and the hook is both interesting and reliably sourced. Prioryman (talk) 12:29, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Striking the hook as far too long per DYK rules: it is 245 characters, far above the absolute maximum of 200. Please submit an ALT hook that is significantly shorter. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:42, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

International Hat Company

World War II sun helmet
World War II sun helmet
  • ... that International Hat Company was one of only two manufacturers to produce the U.S. sun helmet from World War II, which was one of the longest used military helmets in service by the U.S. military?

- Source Links from International Hat Company article:

Improved to Good Article status by Belshay (talk). Self-nominated at 23:17, 8 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Age, length & GA status verified. No obvious problems with article. (I've done some minor copyediting to remove unnecessary hatnotes.) QPQ exempt. Half of the hook is cited to a book, but is also available in the web article. Militarysunhelmets.com appears to be a self-published blog, so it's borderline as a reliable source, but given the author's apparent expertise in the subject I'll accept. Hook reads awkwardly though. I'd suggest modifying it to read "... that during World War II, International Hat Company was one of the two main manufacturers of the U.S. sun helmet (pictured), one of the longest-used helmets of the U.S. military?" The image caption should also be modified to avoid confusion on whether the pictured helmet is an actual WWII specimen (I'm assuming it isn't). Paul_012 (talk) 21:40, 23 January 2017 (UTC)


Improved to Good Article status by Tintor2 (talk) and TenTonParasol (talk). Nominated by Narutolovehinata5 (talk) at 12:01, 8 December 2016 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 10

Acer taggarti

  • ... that the extinct maple Acer taggarti was first described from over ten fossils? Source: "Wolfe & Tanai 1987, Appendix Table : Occurrences and cited specimens of fossil Acer in North America page 244" (Wolfe & Tanai, 1987)

Created by Kevmin (talk). Self-nominated at 21:24, 12 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Move date checks out, prose portion of article is obviously over 1500 characters, subject seems notable, no outstanding maintenance tags, the probability of copyright violation is unlikely at 6.5%. Article is neutral, QPQ has been met. Every paragraph has a citation, but the final sentence of the third paragraph needs a reference. Also, replace "issue=3" with "|issue=3" in the Huang reference. Hook is under 200 characters and neutral but is not actually included anywhere in the article – unless I'm missing something, nowhere in the article is the phrase "ten fossils" used. The hook needs to be taken directly from the article, and be sourced by an inline citation. A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:58, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
As noted the list of specimens in the Appendix is the source for the number. I have used that data before with no problems for hooks. May I ask why you feel the last sentence needs an extra citation? The Huang citation has been fixed.--Kevmin § 19:35, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
Per the DYK criteria, the hook "should include a definite fact that is mentioned in the article" (emphasis not mine). The fact in this hook is not currently mentioned anywhere in the article. The "Of the paratypes six are leaves..." sentence needs a citation because all content on Wikipedia needs to be verifiable, especially if it's going to appear on the front page. Looking at that paragraph again, it would appear that it's entirely sourced to the Wolfe & Tanai source. Per WP:CITEFOOT, this is fine, but the citation needs to be at the end of the paragraph. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:41, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
The fact is mentioned. The list of A.taggatri specimens that I have pointed you to in the appendix counts as mentioning. Thus there should be no problems with it now. DYK rules are that each paragraph have citations in it. No that every sentence have a citation. I will move the Wolfe & Tani citation.--Kevmin § 16:36, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
It's mentioned in Wolfe & Tanai's article, sure, but to qualify for DYK it needs to be mentioned in the Wikipedia article as well – nowhere here does it explicitly say that Acer taggarti was first described from over ten fossils. In fact, if I look at it again, the 25-page appendix in Wolfe & Tanai's article lists closer to 100 fossils rather than just "over ten". A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 09:58, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
For A. taggarti? No, Wolf and Tanai only list twelve accession numbers not 100. See page 244. The section lists "Mascall / Meadow UCMP P4123 Leaf UCMP 9102" and "Mascall / White Hills UCMP 3735 Leaf UCMP 318A, B; 3185, 3186A, B; 3202, 9103, 9104 fruit UCMP 3178, 3187-3189, 9105, 9106" That is a total of 6 leaves from the white hills site and 6 fruits from the white hills site. That makes twelve fossils, thus the hook here is viable.--Kevmin § 19:02, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I think a second set of eyes may be needed on this.--Kevmin § 20:31, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, I think you might be right. My concerns are that the current hook isn't very "hook"-y and, more crucially, that it's still not mentioned in the article. I welcome a second opinion on the matter. Thanks, A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 10:20, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
That is where we disagree I think, the hook is mentioned in the article. The last line is what the hook is based on "Of the paratypes six are leaves and six are fruits", that is over ten and is source-able to Wolfe & Tanai.--Kevmin § 16:00, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg I agree with Kevmin that the twelve paratypes and the holotype are sufficient for the hook fact. The article is long enough, new enough, neutral and free from copyright issues as far as I can tell. This is good to go. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 20:58, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Why obfuscate it to "over (sic) ten" when "twelve" would seem perfectly accurate and less vague? The Rambling Man (talk) 21:09, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Its not obfuscating though, and generates interest in readers wondering how many it was described from over the round number 10 that is given. Its less hooky with twelve.--Kevmin § 21:30, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Not at all, it's simple obfuscation designed to remove clarity and encyclopedic value. I will address it at ERRORS when it runs. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:30, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
There is no error to report though, it is true to the article and does not falsely represent any part of the article. And you feel that threats will net you exactly what result?--Kevmin § 10:28, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
See you there. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:00, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Again, you have not actually noted anything that can be construed as an error, so why are you making a point of this continued treat to waste time?--Kevmin § 14:02, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
  • To me, a far more interesting hook would be one that mentioned that of the 13 specimens (not 12), 6 are fruits. You don't think of maples and fruits in the same breath; the fact that these fruits are the maple's seeds will probably not occur to the average reader. Thus, "first described from thirteen fossils, six of which were fruits?" (In this case, the holotype should probably be specifically described in the article as a leaf, so there isn't any counting confusion.) BlueMoonset (talk) 15:40, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
    Yes, that's good work, both in succinctness and hookiness. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:32, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
    I've tweaked the article, and following the above comments propose:
  • (ALT1a): ... that the extinct maple Acer taggarti was first described from thirteen fossils, six of which were fruits?
  • (ALT1b): ... that the extinct maple Acer taggarti was first described from thirteen fossils, six of which were fruit paratypes?
    @Kevmin: What do you think of these? Also, please note that The Rambling Man may take any proposed change to main page content to WP:ERRORS to request a change, just as may any other editor... but it does not follow that a suggestion will result in a change. TRM does catch errors regularly, and also finds examples where polishing will strengthen a hook, so I suggest that everyone consider issues he raises while trying (as much as possible) to set aside his manner. EdChem (talk) 23:14, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
    Im good with alt1, alt two feels like paratype is tacked on. I will not set aside his manner though, as its not needed at all in the project.--Kevmin § 00:25, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
    And I will not ignore your attitude which is not needed at all in the DYK project nor the Wikipedia as a whole. It was refreshing to see so many individuals reminding you of process here. Hopefully we won't need to go over this again next time you create a hook of a similar nature. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:04, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol voting keep.svg Approving ALT1a as the better of the two new hooks. Striking the remaining hooks for clarity. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:04, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Jean Davies

  • ... that Jean Davies, later Director of the Women's Royal Naval Service, attended Winston Churchill's 69th birthday party? Source: "Director, Women’s Royal Naval Service, 1961–64" (Who Was Who)
    • ALT1:... that Jean Davies, then a junior officer in the Women's Royal Naval Service, attended Winston Churchill's 69th birthday party? Source: "Churchill's 69th birthday party with Stalin and Roosevelt in the British Assembly, which she attended" (Obituary in the The Times)

Created by Gaia Octavia Agrippa (talk). Self-nominated at 05:13, 11 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough, long enough, and within policy. Hook clear and succinct, but could be more interesting. What's of interest here is a British woman serving in a male-dominated field at a time when patriarchy was much stronger. Not sure how to manifest that as a good hook here. Morganfitzp (talk) 22:01, 17 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Sorry for the slow reply, it's Christmas! As a Brit the Churchill angle was most interesting. The female angle is quite hard to do, but how about this:
  • ALT2:... that Jean Davies was part of Churchill's delegation to the 1943 Quebec Conference and was, exceptionally for a woman, part of the ship's company of HMS Renown that transported them back to the UK? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaia Octavia Agrippa (talkcontribs) 00:55, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg New reviewer needed to check the available hooks and see what is interesting and what is not (and also check that they're in the article and properly sourced). Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:52, 20 January 2017 (UTC)


The 57ft high Gommateshwara statue at Shravanabelagola, Karnataka, built in 981 A.D
The 57ft high Gommateshwara statue at Shravanabelagola, Karnataka, built in 981 A.D
  • ... that Bahubali is also called Gommatesha because of the Gommateshwara statue dedicated to him?
    • ALT1:... that Bahubali is said to have meditated motionless in a standing posture for a year, during which time climbing plants grew around his legs?

Improved to Good Article status by Capankajsmilyo (talk), जैन (talk), Adam Cuerden (talk), Baffle gab1978 (talk), and Redtigerxyz (talk). Nominated by Capankajsmilyo (talk) at 00:37, 11 December 2016 (UTC).

  • I have added bold links to the hooks. I notice this has been placed at T:TDYK under February. It belongs on the day of promotion, December 11, 2016, where I will move it in a moment. Given the date of consecration was 13 February 1432, are you asking that it be run on 13 February 2017? If so, just posting or confirming that request here is sufficient. EdChem (talk) 01:42, 11 December 2016 (UTC)
Any date will work. That's consecration date of one of the statues. It's important but not very important. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 03:07, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 11

Abu'l-A'war, Banu Sulaym

  • ... that the Sulaymi commander Abu'l-A'war led the Arabs to a major naval victory over the Byzantines in the Battle of the Masts? (Source: Amr b. Sufyan al-Sulami [Abu'l-A'war of Banu Sulaym] ... figured as a commander in several campaigns, especially naval ones, including ... the very significant victory over the emperor Constans II off Lycia in 34/655 [Battle of the Masts]. Khalid Yahya Blankinship, p. 91, n. 502, in the History of al-Tabari, Vol. 11)
    • ALT1:... that Abu'l-A'war continued to fight the Islamic prophet Muhammad even after his Banu Sulaym tribe joined the Muslims? (Source: in Sha'ban 8/January 630, the Sulaym or most of them were already on his [Muhammad's] side. Several weeks later, the Sulaym participated in the battle of Hunayn with the exception of Abu'l-A'war, who fought with the pagans Michael Lecker, p. 818, in the "Sulaym" article of the Encyclopedia of Islam, New Edition, vol. 9)

5x expanded by Al Ameer son (talk). Self-nominated at 20:44, 14 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg A QPQ review appears to be needed before this can move forward. North America1000 18:37, 21 December 2016 (UTC)

Carlos A. Long

Carlos A. Long
Carlos A. Long

5x expanded by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 10:33, 11 December 2016 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 12

Student Initiative Rahel

Coffee Ceremony (7926066672).jpg

Created by Urmelbeauftragter (talk). Self-nominated at 22:43, 17 December 2016 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 13

Milford Lane

Bomb damage map of Milford Lane
Bomb damage map of Milford Lane
  • Reviewed: Tilo Medek
  • Comment: 5 x expansion of stub from 13 Dec. One day late, hope that's OK.

5x expanded by Philafrenzy (talk). Self-nominated at 11:20, 21 December 2016 (UTC).

  • The hooker's VD is hookier than the V1. EEng 12:16, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
QPQ done. Philafrenzy (talk) 23:39, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg This article is new enough and long enough. Either hook could be used, both having inline citations, but I have rewritten ALT1 to ALT1a because the wikilinks in the original ALT1 are unhelpful and distracting. The image is appropriately licensed, the article is neutral and I detected no copyright or other policy issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:20, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
I re-linked nymph as that seems OK? Philafrenzy (talk) 12:05, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

@Philafrenzy: there is an opportunity here to make this a double hook. The Duel of the Crabs is a redirect to the poet, but it could be made into a stand-alone article and a 1500+ character piece would be easy to write. Pages 52-53 of this book discuss the poem and its connection to Howard's Duel of the Stags, as well as the technique wherby the location of "battle" is not clearly shown until later in the poem. It is described as a "scabrous parody" here. Several sources suggest that Henry Saville co-wrote the poem [32] [33] or wrote the incomplete initial for of it. [34] See also this relevant journal article. @EEng and Cwmhiraeth: How long can this nomination be delayed to write the companion article, if there is interest? EdChem (talk) 02:30, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Not sure what some rule might say, no harm in IARing to hold this now to make a better hook. Write the hook first to be sure it's worth the trouble. EEng 04:49, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
    • @EEng: Some possible hooks:
  • ... that The Duel of the Crabs is a "scabrous parody" of The Duel of the Stags and features a battle between two armies set in the pubic hair of a brothel-keeper residing in Milford Lane?
  • ... that The Duel of the Crabs features a battle between two crab lice armies set in the pudendum of a Milford Lane brothel keeper?
    • Either of these could be accompanied by an image of a crab louse, such as this CC-BY-SA 3.0 picture from commons: File:Crab louse (251 23) Female, from a human host.jpg
    • Having looked, there is the material to support an article on both of these poems, and I think I could write a DYK-compliant article in 48 hours or so, if Philafrenzy is interested in collaborating or would like me to go ahead. EdChem (talk) 05:38, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I guess I thought you had a hook combining the VD with the V1. How disappointing. EEng 05:49, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
    • Sorry, EEng, but the VD poetry was written in the late 1600s, so including a V1 attack would have shown remarkable foresight. I guess it goes to show that wars may come and go but the crabs remain the same... EdChem (talk) 06:11, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
I have no objection to where anyone wants to take it. I was aware that the duel was some sort of political satire but had not got as far as elaborating it. Philafrenzy (talk) 10:14, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Corruption in Ecuador

  • ... that after a Congresswoman was arrested for soliciting a bribe, Ecuador's president placed the blame on his opposition, claiming they hadn't done enough to combat corruption?
    • ALT1:... that a member of Ecuador's opposition party alleged that his country loses approximately $2 billion a year from corruption?
    • ALT2:... that Julian Assange had previously made revelations about corruption in Ecuador when seeking asylum in the country?
    • ALT3:... that Ecuador's state-owned oil company was at the center of alleged illegal oil shipments to China in exchange for credit and loans from the Chinese?
    • ALT4:... that in 2012 an Ecuadorean journalist was sentenced to three years in prison for reporting that Ecuador's president, Rafael Correa, had ordered soldiers to fire on civilians during a 2010 coup attempt?

Created by DaltonCastle (talk). Self-nominated at 18:25, 17 December 2016 (UTC).

Jeff Forshaw

Jeff Forshaw
Jeff Forshaw
  • ... that award winning physicist Jeff Forshaw (pictured) has a special interest in quantum chromodynamics and appeared on children’s BBC to explain the Higgs boson to kids? Source: "As scientists around the world discover the results from one of the biggest experiments in history, Professor Jeff Forshaw talks to Newsround. Physicists have been working for months in an underground laboratory in Europe to find the Higgs boson - a particle that would explain how the universe works."BBC Newsround "2013 Kelvin medal and prize Professor Jeff Forshaw, University of Manchester. For his wide-reaching work aimed at helping the general public to understand complex ideas in physics."Institute of Physics "Quantum Chromodynamics and the Pomeron QCD university textbook
    • ALT1:... that award winning physicist Jeff Forshaw (pictured) works with data from the large hadron collider at CERN and appeared on children’s BBC to explain the Higgs boson to kids? Source: "As scientists around the world discover the results from one of the biggest experiments in history, Professor Jeff Forshaw talks to Newsround. Physicists have been working for months in an underground laboratory in Europe to find the Higgs boson - a particle that would explain how the universe works."BBC Newsround "2013 Kelvin medal and prize Professor Jeff Forshaw, University of Manchester. For his wide-reaching work aimed at helping the general public to understand complex ideas in physics."Institute of Physics" "My research: I am interested in making sense of the data collected by the world's particle colliders, like CERN’s Large Hadron Collider (LHC)." University of Manchester staff spotlight

Created by Mramoeba (talk). Self-nominated at 13:22, 14 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Comment only I think "award winning" and "to kids" can be trimmed from both hooks, in the interests of brevity. Edwardx (talk) 12:37, 15 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. I agree 'for kids' is probably redundant, I guess I put it there for emphasis. I quite like 'award winning' but I would love to hear other opinions. Thanks for your comments. Mramoeba (talk) 14:33, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 14

Cello Sonata No. 1 (Reger)

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 21:53, 20 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Review criteria:
  • The article was created on 14th Dec and was nominated within the timeframe.
  • Prose is about 2.3KB – long enough. The article is not a stub.
  • Suitably written and cited in accordance with WP policies. References are of good quality and are cited correctly.
  • Both hooks are supported by the references given.

Symbol confirmed.svg Verified; but pinging @Gerda Arendt: regarding one sentence I'm unclear about. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 20:52, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! Which sentence? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:57, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Discussed at Gerda's talk page. I have tweaked the sentence in question. Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 21:13, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg Coming to promote this, I thought the first hook unsatisfactory because the article does not state that Reger was a student at the time, and the work being published in London seems uninteresting. The link to the article in the second hook is contained within the quotation, and this is frowned on, so could the hook be rewritten to correct this? Incidentally, I found the other quote by the reviewer more interesting. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:23, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
Why would you think that the composer's student published at all, and then in a different country, was not interesting? I will source being a student, - keep forgetting that not everybody knows that ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Carved lacquer

Ming carved lacquer tray
Ming carved lacquer tray

Created by Johnbod (talk) and Wwbread (talk). Nominated by Johnbod (talk) at 15:28, 18 December 2016 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 15

Franziska Romana Koch

Koch on stage
Koch on stage
  • Reviewed: Moon Dustin

Created by Whjayg (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 16:52, 19 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article is new enough and long enough. Where in the source is Kochische Gesellschaft mentioned? Also not sure about "opera role", Christoph Martin Wieland and her husband coming with her to Weimar. Most of the fourth paragraph is not supported by the source, seems like. Ditto for Karoline Kruger. Not sure if it's a good idea to rely on a Wikisource text. Hook is fairly long and moderately interesting but appears to be reliably sourced and supported by the source. No evidence of plagiarism, although the last paragraph may use a rewrite so that it doesn't resemble a word-by-word translation of the source as much. QPQ still needed. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 13:14, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Sorry about misspelling the reviewed article: Template:Did you know nominations/Moon Duchin. I didn't write or translate the Koch article, - the typical problem with articles from de, without sources other than books which we don't have. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:03, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
I added another ref, please check. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:58, 21 December 2016 (UTC)
@Gerda Arendt: Ack, sorry for forgetting this one! Anyhow, Kochische Gesellschaft does not create any hits in Google Books, which makes me wonder if it is mentioned there. The source says that the theatre still existed in 1777, contrary of what the article says. The following sentence is a bit too close to a word-by-word translation of the source. The "soprano" in the infobox may need sourcing. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 13:17, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Shuixian Zunwang

The main altar of the Shuixian Zunwangs' temple in Tainan
The main altar of the Shuixian Zunwangs' temple in Tainan
  • ... that China's Five Water Gods may have originated from a misunderstood surname?
    • ALT1:... that three of China's Five Water Gods committed suicide?
    • ALT2:... that three of China's Shuixian Zunwang, five mortals revered as protective gods by sailors, ended their own lives with suicide?
    • ALT3:... that one of China's Five Water Gods attained his divine status by having his corpse dumped into a river in a leather sack?
    • ALT4:... that China's Five Water Gods are Yu the Great, Wu Zixu, Qu Yuan, Xiang Yu, and... um... the other one?
    • ALT5:... that the Shuixian Zunwang, prayed to by Chinese sailors for protection at sea, only became water gods from their connections to rivers?
    • ALT6:... that the Shuixian Zunwang, five mortals revered as gods by Chinese sailors, gained their divine powers from their connections to the Yellow, Qiantang, Miluo, and Wu Rivers?
    • ALT7:... that Wu Zixu, one of China's Five Water Gods, exhumed a king's corpse to punish it for the deaths of his father and brother?
    • ALT8:... that the Kings of the Water Immortals include an emperor, a poet, a warlord, an inventor, and an urban planner?
  • Reviewed: Will do. A South Korean military unit
  • Comment: @Reviewers: Don't worry. You only need to source the hook(s) that most interest you.
    Comment the Second: Really a new article but missed deadline cuz life and wanted to expand it a bit more. Have gotten it up past 5x, though these guys aren't very well covered in this role in English sources.

Created/expanded by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 22:07, 15 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg sufficient length, expanded 6x, well-sourced. First hook is interesting enough, and the source is verifiable - seems decent. Second and third hooks are interesting and verifiable, but a bit 'clickbait' (since they didn't commit suicide as gods but as well-known historical figures). ALT6 could use links. ALT7 is common knowledge to Chinese people and hence not very interesting (and it's more relevant to Wu Zixu alone than to the Five Water Gods in general). Kayau (talk · contribs) 04:17, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 16

Heures de Charles d'Angoulême

  • Reviewed: Simona Stašová
  • Comment: we had this hook before, this time the book should be the right one ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:29, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Created by LouisAlain (talk), Martinevans123 (talk), and Hillbillyholiday (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 11:29, 23 December 2016 (UTC).

  • So what's that "PLE[na)" all about at the end of the caption? Do we need some kind of translation/ explanation? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:34, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
  • No, you have a link Ave Maria, where it says "Áve María, gratia plena, / Dominus tecum. / Benedícta tu in mulieribus, / et benedíctus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. ..." The letters go only to "PLE" but ple is no word, therefore I added to plena. I saw it but others may have to see it spelled out. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:04, 23 December 2016 (UTC)
That's the usual convention for incomplete inscriptions, though "PLE[NA]" might be a more typical way of doing it. Johnbod (talk) 02:01, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg This article is new enough and long enough and has been very well translated from an article in the French Wikipedia. However, the "Description" section has no references at all. This is not like the "plot" section of a book where the book acts as its own source, but contains a lot of opinion and detail which needs attribution. Other than this, the image is in the public domain, the article is neutral, and I doubt it raises any copyright issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:56, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Yes, of course. I'm guessing that the Matthews source (free to read at JSTOR) is probably the key. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:48, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Suhl card reader case

  • ... that in the Suhl card reader case, an amateur psychic's cartomancy and horoscope was being interpreted as a felony worth years in prison? See Baldur Haase 1999

Created by Polentarion (talk). Self-nominated at 19:55, 20 December 2016 (UTC).

Marine Corps Prepositioning Program-Norway

  • Reviewed: Petra Hřebíčková
  • Comment: Arnefjo99 started the article, but I redeveloped it almost completely shortly afterwards so I'm listing us as joint creators, which I hope is OK. Nick-D (talk) 10:22, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

Created by Arnefjo99 (talk) and Nick-D (talk). Nominated by Nick-D (talk) at 09:50, 19 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The hook fact is supported by inline citations, the article is neutral and neither Earwig nor I detected any policy issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:10, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Debo Band

Debo Band
Debo Band
  • ... that Ethiopian music group Debo Band was founded by amateur klezmer musicians?
    • ALT1:... that amateur klezmer musicians founded Ethiopian music group Debo Band?

Created by Morganfitzp (talk). Self-nominated at 22:08, 17 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Accepted edits from Edwardx. Ready for review. Morganfitzp (talk) 19:13, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg @Morganfitzp: I am unable to find mention of "klezmer musicians" in the article. Can you help? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:20, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Fixed that Cwmhiraeth, and added an extra reference from The Washington Post to support it. Morganfitzp (talk) 01:59, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are sourced inline and either hook could be used. The image is appropriately licensed, the article is neutral, and neither Earwig nor I could detect any copyright issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:44, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Petra Hřebíčková

Petra Hřebíčková, Czech actress
Petra Hřebíčková, Czech actress
  • Reviewed: Mike McCray
  • Comment: All sources are in Czech. The 2008 awards were held in 2009, as is typical for acting awards.

Created by Cloudz679 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:05, 17 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg I was able to verify the hook and some other randomly-selected elements of the article using Google translate and didn't spot anything which looked like a copyright violation. The hook is reasonably interesting, and the photo is credibly PD. As such, this is good to go - nice work with the article. Nick-D (talk) 10:17, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Cloudz679 I'm returning the hook from the prep area. It has an unsourced section and DYK criteria are therefore not met. Also, I suggest that Thalia Awards is unsuitable for homepage exposure. While the sea of red links has already been addressed, it's a stub with just over 300kB of prose (i.e. close to none) and not a single secondary reference. Can you think of a better article to include in the hook? I appreciate that the second issue isn't a show stopper going by current DYK rules, but the first one is. Schwede66 22:53, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Guardians of the Dawn

Created by Applodion (talk). Self-nominated at 01:24, 16 December 2016 (UTC).

Digital divide in Canada

Created by Jaobar (talk). Self-nominated at 17:52, 19 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This is an highly interesting topic, a well sourced article and long enough and new enough for DYK. I am OK with the hooks as well. The language is somewhat sophisticated, the level rather abstract. One could use some more information about local and municipipial and as well communitarian engagement. The maps are nearly information free, I would prefer to have more geographical information about broadband access. There is not much about technology, e.g. NGN networks or CDMA. That said, I would like the author to readress some of the points but I am very eager and interested about such a topic being presented at the main page. Polentarion Talk 23:20, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Hello, and thank you very much for taking the time to leave feedback regarding the article I published. I certainly agree that there is always more than can be said about various topics, although I believe that in its current state the article definitely conveys the main points that it aims to make; i.e., describing the digital divide in Canada, what its causes are, and what is being done to reduce it. Even as it is now I think that the article would be very eye opening and helpful for others to read, and having it displayed within the DYK section would certainly help to expand its visibility and attract others who are knowledgeable in the subject and can help the article grow. AndrewH7 (talk) 06:11, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 17

Srikakulam peasant uprising

  • Comment: Article created on 17 December,2016

Created by Maaley (talk). Self-nominated at 02:07, 19 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Interesting article, length, date and hook checks out. No QPQ needed, new user. But article would need some copy-editing (punctuations, spacings, etc.). Moreover, I think some of the background needs to be reviewed. The AICCCR was founded in 12 Nov 1967, but the Srikakulam uprising was already in motion then. I'll try to look some sources on my side, but some additional clarification would be of interest here. --Soman (talk) 18:58, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
Soman Thanks for your review.I have written as per the timeline and incidences mentioned in the following links. Hope it will help to understand how the two movements are aligned together yet independently initiated.
Yours sincerely,
Maaley (talk) 03:55, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Ok. In a few days, I'll regain access to some literature on this topic, I'll try to sort out some details then. --Soman (talk) 10:30, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
SomanThanks.Looking forward for your feedback. :) Maaley (talk) 12:15, 20 December 2016 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 18

Battle Royale

  • ... that the Japanese novel Battle Royale was rejected in the final round of the 1997 Japan Horror Fiction Awards due to its backdrop of students killing each other being too reminiscent of the Kobe child murders committed the previous year?

Improved to Good Article status by Xfansd (talk) and Bluesphere (talk). Nominated by Bluesphere (talk) at 05:03, 6 January 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg The age and length are good and everything seems within policy. Hook is interesting and cited. This looks good to go. --Coemgenus (talk) 01:10, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg The hook, at 237 characters, is well over the absolute maximum of 200 characters (spaces count in the total) allowed for DYK hooks, and has been struck. Please provide a new ALT hook that is short enough to qualify. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:14, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
  • @BlueMoonset: I'm going to step up and provide one that is 199 characters...
ALT1: ... that Battle Royale was rejected in the final round of the 1997 Japan Horror Fiction Awards, as its setting was too similar to the Kobe child murders committed the previous year?
Raymie (tc) 05:58, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg Reiterating that this is not ready for promotion (despite it having been briefly promoted). The "as" part of the hook is problematic, since the article doesn't seem to support the assertion: only one of the judges seem to be alluding to the child murders, according to the first Reception paragraph, with the other two judges rejecting the novel for other reasons entirely. The particular claim here is not supported by an inline source citation at the end of the relevant sentence, while an earlier claim in Background and publication says only that one of the preliminary committee members "later suspected" that the judges' rejection was due to the Kobe child murders, but that's grossly inadequate. Cwmhiraeth suggested "may have been rejected", but it's not sufficient in my eye given the sourced wording in the article. Another hook angle that might be pursued is that the book was considered the best submitted but was rejected anyway, yet it became a bestseller when ultimately published two years later. (It does seem a bit odd to be talking about an award for unpublished manuscripts to begin with; just how notable is it, anyway?) BlueMoonset (talk) 07:36, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment Anyone can read the relevant chapter of the book cited in the reception section for the judges' comments here at Amazon.com. This is also what The Japan Times article that is used to cite the proposed hook in the Background and publication section is referencing. Hopefully this helps clarify things and/or sparks a re-wording of the hook. Xfansd (talk) 15:37, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Pterinoxylus spinulosus

  • ... that the first adult female Pterinoxylus spinulosus was described in 1957, some fifty years after the first male? Source: "P. spinulosus was described by Redtenbacher (1908) from a single adult male and an immature female. The first adult female was described in 1957 by Rehn."

Created by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 09:31, 24 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg eligibility for DYK is from this article having been created on 20 December and nominated four days later. The prose section is long enough. There are only two sources used although both are reliable and available online. The text of the article is neutral and policy-compliant. I did not detect any close paraphrasing or copyright issues. The hook is short enough, interesting enough, policy-compliant and sourced on page 195–6 of the Robinson source. There is no image included in the nomination. QPQ has been declared. Good to go. Drchriswilliams (talk) 14:58, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Chinese Taipei Olympic Committee

Created/expanded by Sdee (talk). Self-nominated at 02:10, 18 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Comment only That hook is not "interesting", as it merely states the obvious. Is there nothing better? Edwardx (talk) 10:54, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I reviewed and changed. Or please give some suggestion.--TINHO (talk) 17:40, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg The page history shows that Sdee started editing the article on 10 December 2016, eight days before the nomination, but the fivefold expansion seems to have begun on 16 December 2016, so it is probably acceptable. The article is long enough, neutral, and uses inline citations. It does not seem to have copyright violations. I assume good faith for the offline The Times source. The article says that the National Flag Anthem is used because of an agreement signed in 1981, and the lyrics were modified in 1981, but the sources cited seem to say 1983. The source cited does not contain some of the dates in the list of presidents. I did some copy editing and added archive URLs to dead links, but the article needs more cleanup. I am not sure what "recolonize" means. The hook is interesting, but it is a little confusing and needs to be edited. According to the QPQ check tool, the nominator has 6 DYK credits, so QPQ is needed. This will be good to go when the QPQ is done and the article is cleaned up. Gulumeemee (talk) 07:23, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol delete vote.svg Even consider the version before 10 December the prose was about 3300 bytes, and now the prose is about 7200 bytes just twofold of the older version. I don't think it meets the expansion criteria.-- (talk) 04:23, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
  • You might be right. The version before 10 December presented the history as a list, so the tool I used didn't count the characters in the history section. Thanks for noticing that. Gulumeemee (talk) 04:48, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Lists are not counted as prose, so the pre-expansion version on November 22, 2016 was 487 characters. This is indeed a 5x expansion, and the review should continue. Yoninah (talk) 21:42, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
  • It appears that the list was converted to prose. Gulumeemee (talk) 23:59, 10 January 2017 (UTC) Some items were removed, and some content was added. Gulumeemee (talk) 04:13, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 19

Explore: The Journal of Science & Healing

  • Reviewed: Clay Higgins
  • Comment: DYKcheck seems to be mis-identifying the pre-expansion point. This is the version from the last edit on 18 December, and is 802 characters. Present version is 5126 characters, so is well over a x5 expansion. Recent AfD closed as "no consensus", making this article now eligible for a nomination.

    Source for the hook is this article by David Gorski which states: "Explore: The Journal of Science and Healing is a journal known for its publication of truly ridiculous studies" and also that "it's not enough simply to point out that these three journals are shams masquerading as real scientific journals. You never know. Maybe these three papers are simply awesome ... I'll start with [the one] published in the second woo-iest of the journals, Explore. Or maybe it's the first woo-iest of the journals. After all, it doesn't limit itself to just one quackery, the way Homeopathy does."

5x expanded by EdChem (talk), Randykitty (talk), Jytdog (talk), and Headbomb (talk). Nominated by EdChem (talk) at 15:34, 26 December 2016 (UTC).

yes thanks for asking. Jytdog (talk) 15:01, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg I can see someone having concerns about the overall neutrality of the article as it does use some "overly negative language". However, none of that language is used in Wikipedia's voice; it's all direct quotations from people in the mainstream scientific community who seemingly cannot emphasize strongly enough that this journal is not reputable. It would violate neutrality and be a disservice to our readers not to include that information, and it is balanced by quotes indicating what the journal and its proponents say about itself.

I have some concerns about the hook itself - I'm not a fan of hooks that are nothing more than what critics or reviewers say about a work. Like, in an article about a song, I'd rather have a hook talk about how it underperformed compared to the singer's other songs than a hook reiterating praise for the song from Billboard magazine. But there are exceptions - and this is one I'd be inclined to make, especially since there's not much in the article that I think would make for a better hook. I am suggesting one alternate hook below, but if people prefer the original hook it's fine with me and I'm approving that hook.

Alt 1 "... that the editorial board of the fringe medicine journal Explore: The Journal of Science & Healing includes a faith healing advocate; a hypnotherapist, acupuncturist, and herbalist; and a parapsychologist?" ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 17:53, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

@ONUnicorn: Thanks for the review. I prefer ALT0 to ALT1. Easter Egg links have been controversial lately and I chose not to name or link to editors to avoid any potential BLP issue. Jytdog, as the other expander, do you have a view? Also, as I understand DYK rules, a reviewer can't tick an alternative hook which s/he proposed, unless it is a tweak of the original hook... so much as I would like this to be promoted, if you want ALT1 to be used (ONUnicorn), you'll need to call for a new reviewer to examine just ALT1 (which does not mean you can't use this for QPQ credit, by the way). EdChem (talk) 21:14, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Just to be clear; ALT1 was a suggestion - I am fine with using ALT0, and specifically was approving ALT0. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 21:19, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification, ONUnicorn, and the suggested alternative hook. However, and given your clarification, I request the promoter use ALT0. EdChem (talk) 22:46, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Kucheipadar tribal movement

  • ... that Kucheipadar tribal movement opposed mining to save environment ?
    • ALT1:... mining was put to an hold in the region till 2000 ?
  • Comment: Kucheipadar became famous for its tribal movement, article created on 19 dec,2016.

Created by Maaley (talk). Self-nominated at 04:11, 20 December 2016 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 20

Tilo Medek

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 18:23, 27 December 2016 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Article is new enough and long enough. Lead is too short. Article is well referenced and not a stub. No pic to review. It's a translation from the German wiki but new to English. The awards section could do with some refs. "From 1982, he had the music publishing house Musikverlag Edition Tilo Medek" needs correction. Article is neutral. No copyvios detected. Hook is correctly formatted. Hook tweaked. It's still a little long. What sort of piece was the Lenin? AGF on German sources which include the source for the first part of the hook. There is no inline ref immediately after the bit about the opera. Philafrenzy (talk) 11:44, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for looking, please wait a few days, - I am busy with other stuff, unfortunately. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:46, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
Good question ;) - I wrote in the article what I found about the Decree but am afraid it's interesting and unusual but very detailed. - Shorter by dropping the East-West, - perhaps the titles suggest that enough?
ALT1: ... that Tilo Medek set Lenin's Decree on Peace for speaker and percussion, and compossed an opera after Böll's novel The Lost Honour of Katharina Blum? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:57, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Get Enough

  • ... that "Get Enough" had a commercial release limited to only 2,000 7" vinyl singles.... ?
    • ALT1:... that "Get Enough" received a release limited to 2,000 7" vinyl singles.... ?

Improved to Good Article status by Carbrera (talk). Self-nominated at 06:06, 25 December 2016 (UTC).

General eligiblity:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Red XN - N
  • Interesting: Green tickY
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Article created on 5 Dec 15, expanded more than 5X in Dec 2016. QPQ not needed since user has less than 5 DYK credits. The hook needs to be sourced properly since online source is not available and cannot be verified. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 08:53, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Corruption in Yemen

  • ... that the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace ruled Yemen's government was more likely to topple from corruption than Al-Qaeda?
    • ALT1:... that a UN panel believed that Yemen's former president, Ali Abdullah Saleh, had illicitly accumulated up to $60 billion during his rule?
    • ALT2:... that only about a tenth of an intended $4.7 billion in aid to Yemen reached its destination?
    • ALT3:... that Yemen’s Ministry of Social and Labor Affairs created more cumbersome obstacles for human-rights groups to be recognized?
    • ALT4:... that a Yemeni medical professional bore witness to graft on a daily basis?

Created by DaltonCastle (talk). Self-nominated at 22:28, 22 December 2016 (UTC).


Moved to mainspace by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 13:55, 20 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svgArticle is new and long enough. The hook is referenced. No copyright or neutrality issue detected. QPQ is done. Good to go. --KAVEBEAR (talk) 07:16, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg @Jo-Jo Eumerus: I came to promote this but could not find mention of all the aspects of the hook. I see that various possible dates are mentioned for the most recent eruption, and they are all more recent than 50,000 years ago, so that part is OK, but the article does not seem to mention that this was a sub-Plinian eruption (spelt subplinian in some parts of the article). Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:12, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Um, Cwmhiraeth, what is "this" eruption? The hook does not refer to specific eruptions as the chronology of Ciomadul's activity is sort of confusing. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:38, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
@Jo-Jo Eumerus: The eruptions in the last 50,000 years, then. I don't see the word "subplinian" associated with them. If the word were not in the hook, it would not be a problem. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:07, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: Now it has. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 15:11, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Would you be happy with ALT1? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:21, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that Ciomadul volcano in Romania last erupted less than 50,000 years ago and is still potentially active?

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Wary of that. I think it's important that Ciomadul doesn't just do small steam explosions, but also large eruptions with with tall columns, ash fall into neighbouring countries and deadly pyroclastic flows in the area around the volcano. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:14, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Sorry to be a pain, but the article states "Ciomadul has been active for over half a million years.[4] Other estimates indicate that activity did not start before 250,000 years ago." and "The oldest activity occurred between 1,000,000 and 750,000 years ago". These views seem to contradict each other. It seems as if there are varying views and that you have arbitrarily chosen one as being accurate. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:36, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
    @Cwmhiraeth: I think I got it. These disagreements between dating results are a nuisance to write about. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 10:23, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Lizzie (2017 film)

  • Reviewed: Soon.

Created by Captain Assassin! (talk). Self-nominated at 09:01, 20 December 2016 (UTC).

2019 East Asian Youth Games

Taichung Intercontinental Baseball Stadium, venue for opening and closing ceremony
Taichung Intercontinental Baseball Stadium, venue for opening and closing ceremony

Created by Sdee (talk). Self-nominated at 14:14, 20 December 2016 (UTC).

Symbol question.svg Article is new enough and long enough. I did some copy editing on the grammar. Is "futsal" football? Is "Chaoman Civial Sports Center" spelt correctly? Why are the ten country names red-linked? Could this be removed? Article is adequately referenced and appears neutral. AGF on foreign language sources. Hook is correctly formatted. A QPQ is required. Pic is correctly licensed. Hooks tweaked. First has an inline cite but the second one doesn't and should have. I am not sure what the policy is on DYK (and articles) about events occurring nearly three years in the future? Philafrenzy (talk) 10:13, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Kobe Port Tower

The Kobe Port Tower after renovation during night time
The Kobe Port Tower after renovation during night time

5x expanded by Sdee (talk). Self-nominated at 15:58, 20 December 2016 (UTC).

  • YesY Expansion started on 20 December, and nominated on same day. Expanded from 206 characters to 2117 characters. Article is within policy.
  • YesY Image is free use, looks good at low resolution, and is used in the article.
  • Symbol question.svg The hook is short enough, interesting, but not supported by an reliable source. [41] is a blog, whilst [42] is their own website. Please add an independent reliable source saying that it is the first tower built using a pipe lattice.
  • Symbol possible vote.svg QPQ not done, and Sdee has 6 previous DYKs, so a QPQ is required.
  • In summary, for this nomination to be passed, it requires a reliable source for the hook, and also a QPQ. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:37, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 21

Revolutionary Communist Party of India (Tagore)

Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 21:39, 24 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Length, date and sourcing check out, AGF for offline sources. QPQ still pending. --Al Ameer (talk) 23:38, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Apologies for butting in, but how is this hook interesting? Edwardx (talk) 12:08, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
  • The Hindu right and the communist parties are diametrical opposites in Indian politics. It is stated in some sources that the UPDF was the sole example of electoral cooperation of JS and the left (although the Janata Party, in a way, was also a JS-left collaboration). --Soman (talk) 15:22, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
  • QPQ added now. --Soman (talk) 12:28, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
  • @Soman: Is there a way you could succinctly note in the hook that the two factions were political rivals? --Al Ameer (talk) 19:01, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

MJ Gallery at Ponte 16

Scenery of Billie Jean
Scenery of Billie Jean

Created by Sdee (talk). Self-nominated at 08:13, 21 December 2016‎ (UTC).

Symbol possible vote.svg The article is new enough and long enough. AGF on Chinese text. The English is reasonable but needs some improvement. Article is well referenced and neutral. There are three maintenance templates that need to be resolved. Picture is free but doesn't display well in thumbnail. Not checked for copyvios yet. A QPQ is required. Hook tweaked and simplified. Philafrenzy (talk) 00:13, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Charmian Gooch

  • Comment: Article 5X expanded by User:Sasha.sov Apologies for nominating slightly late.

5x expanded by Jaobar (talk). Self-nominated at 04:35, 30 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Note: I have struck ALT1, since at 221 characters it was well above the 200 character maximum for a hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:14, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Response: Dear BlueMoonset, thank you for pointing this out. I have reduced the character count for the hook and created a second alternate. I hope this is acceptable. Best, --Jaobar (talk) 15:47, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Or consider ALT3, which is even tighter, with an important wiki link restored and the relevant countries named. —Patrug (talk) 01:28, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Dear Patrug, thank you for providing an alternate hook. I agree that ALT3 is an improvement over ALT2. We'll see what happens! Best, --Jaobar (talk) 15:27, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 22

Catananche lutea

  • ... that Catananche lutea produces five types of seed that correspond to a range of different survival and dispersal strategies?
    Source: "This species produces two types of subterranean achenes (amphic-1 and amphic-2) and three types of aerial achenes (peripheral, intermediate, and central)." "Subterranean achenes spread germination over time; they constitute a very safe means of reproduction and an available achene reserve on soil. Aerial achenes spread germination in space, thereby increasing the distribution of the species."

Created by Dwergenpaartje (talk). Nominated by Cwmhiraeth (talk) at 14:33, 28 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article new enough and long enough. Hook is cited and sourced. However the etymology section seems to be OR. The origins of the name were not given by Linnaeus, and supposition of the binomial should be sourced to reliable sources, as there inst currently any indication that the given etymology is what Linnaeus was meaning.--Kevmin § 22:51, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
  • @Kevmin: According to Merriam-Webster on the "origin and Etymology of catananche [...] New Latin, modification of Latin catanance, plant used in love potions, from Greek katanankē, literally, means of compulsion, from kata- cata- + -anankē force, compulsion — more at ananke". I thought that was an adequate reference. Linnaeus himself does not give an etymology in the Species Plantarum, volume 2, pp. 812-823. I don't think he usually provides those. It reads: "2. CATANANCHE squalis calycinis inferioribus lanceolatus Hort. cliff. 390. Hort. ups. 247. Roy lugdb. 122. Sauv. monsp. 308. Catananche lutea longo nervoso dentatoque folio. Vaill. aἐt. 1721. p. 216. Chondrilla cyanoides lutea coronopi folio non diviso. Bocc. mus. 2. p. 21. t. 7. Barr. ic. 1135. Stoebe plantaginis folio. Alp. exot. 287. t. 286. Habitat in Creta. ʘ". Sourcing the etymology of lutea seem trivial to me. Do you regard this insufficient? Perhaps we should say that the following etymology was suggested, but no explanation of the name by L.? Dwergenpaartje (talk) 11:43, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I think it is crucial to clarify that Linnaeus did not actually provide any etymologies for the taxa that he named, and that in the vast majority of cases (such as this) the etymologies that are provided in sources are simply translations of the root words, with assertion of what the original describing author was meaning. Some may seem clear, but to use wiki voice as assert that IS what was mean is OR from my point of view.--Kevmin § 15:56, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
@Kevmin: I've edited the Etymology subsection of the article, which I think fully reflects the point you made here. I hope it is now satisfactory and in the current form, DYK can be granted.
However, I do like to make a couple of observations.
  • We have now rejected the interpretation of the meaning of a scientific name given by a long-standing, highly regarded encyclopedia as a speculation.
  • We now have extended the concept of Original Research to accepting the independent judgement made in a secondary, but generally considered reliable source.
  • Herein we use DYK, a tool to draw interest to recently initiated or expanded articles by highlighting one remarkable element, to judge the overall quality of an article.
  • The Wikipedia:WikiProject_Plants/Template#Etymology is now woefully inadequate as it says "Explain how the taxon name was created, if known. Useful tools include: Gledhill, David (2006). The names of plants (4th ed. ed.). Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. ISBN 0521866456. Retrieved 16 October 2014; Stearn, William T. (2002). Stearn's dictionary of plant names for gardeners : a handbook on the origin and meaning of the botanical names of some cultivated plants. Portland, Or.: Timber Press. ISBN 978-0881925562. Retrieved 19 February 2015; Griffith, Chuck (2005). "Dictionary of Botanical Epithets". Retrieved 19 March 2014; Morgan, Michelle (October 2005). "Botanical Latin: The Poetry of Herb Names" (PDF). Number 89. MediHerb. Retrieved 19 February 2015; List of Latin and Greek words commonly used in systematic names"
Dwergenpaartje (talk) 11:18, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Please clarify what you are trying to say. Currently your long post does not actually make sense. I think you are trying to say you are unsatisfied that I point out that we dont know waht Linnaeus was meaning when he named the Genus and species, and that asserting a meaning is OR.--Kevmin § 20:51, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Not much actually. But I'll try again.
1. I hope that the change I made in the Etymology subsection is to your liking and you are willing to change your verdict on the DYK submission.
2. I will try to be more careful in the wording of the etymology subsections, but I feel that you are stretching OR, and if implementing this wider concept, some consequences may arise that will make writing anything in wikipedia will be impossible because it will be either OR or too close paraphrasing.
I'm a bit puzzled by your lack of understanding me, unless you are settling a score and want to make me feel inadequate. Dwergenpaartje (talk) 21:49, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
No score settling at all, just noting that as it stands, the biology articles are not actually following the long standing policy of no Original research. The way the section is worded is much better as its not putting words into Linnaeus' mouth now, as it were. I still have reservations on the section, given that I do not have access to the M-W full dictionary and thus can't see that the entry is for both the genus and species names. What consequences would happen? (Though that discussion should be held at WP:TOL and not here)--Kevmin § 22:32, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Good and thank you. What about deleting the etymology section? Would that solve the remaining reservations? Dwergenpaartje (talk) 22:45, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
My suggestion for the section is wording it to clarify that there are suggested etymologies, with references to said etymologies, but to note as you have done that Linnaeus himslef did not give one. This tells the reader that there are ones out there, but nothing official from the describing author.--Kevmin § 00:31, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
The wording of the etymology text is now: "The original author, Linnaeus, did not explain the meaning of the names Catananche and lutea. General explanatory list of plant names, dictionaries and encyclopedias however suggest a meaning.[1][2]" Kind regards, Dwergenpaartje (talk) 11:48, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
  1. ^ "Catananche". Merriam-Webster Dictionary. Retrieved 2016-12-22. 
  2. ^ "lutea". Collins English Dictionary. Retrieved 2017-01-05. 
You can leave the translations in the etymology section, as I have said, so prior version was much better, I have reverted partially and tagged two statements that need sources.--Kevmin § 15:33, 5 January 2017 (UTC)


  • Article is looking good, we just need to make the hook clear in the article.--Kevmin § 21:21, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
@Kevmin: I have added an extra sentence with citation referring to the five types of seed. Is that what you wanted? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:50, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: It helps, but hte sticking point is the paragraph doesn't clearly adress the "survival strategies" in any clear matter. I would say it would be easier to strick "survival" from the hook, as the rest is covered.--Kevmin § 16:14, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
  • ALT1 ... that Catananche lutea produces five types of seed that correspond to a range of different dispersal strategies? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:17, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
I would say getting to another place versus staying put, and quickly germinate versus keeping dormant for a while is in itself more than enough to speak of different survival strategies. Which I would say is adequately covered by the summary of one of the referenced article, which says: "The complex fruit heteromorphism of the amphicarpic annual Catananche lutea (Asteraceae) was studied. This species produces two types of subterranean achenes (amphic-1 and amphic-2) and three types of aerial achenes (peripheral, intermediate, and central). Subterranean achenes are produced in February-April in fewer number than aerial achenes, and they are larger and heavier. Amphic-1 achenes germinate quickly and in high proportions. Amphic-2 achenes exhibit delayed germination, which is spread over time as a result of the inhibitory action of the pericarp, and they germinate in low proportions. Aerial achenes are formed between April and May and have similar germination requirements; while the final proportion and rate of germination are quite high in every case, the time and the way in which achenes disperse differ between types. Peripheral achenes have a scarcely developed pappus and are subtended by the inner bracts of the capitula; they disperse when capitula are released by the dead mother plant (short-range dispersal). Central achenes have a highly developed pappus and are dispersed by wind sooner than peripheral achenes (long-range dispersal). Some intermediate achenes are dispersed like central ones and others are dispersed like peripheral ones. There are no significant viability differences between the different types of achenes. Light has an adverse effect on germination of all the achene types: it slightly lengthens the incubation period and decreases both the percentage and rate of germination. Subterranean achenes produce larger seedlings-at least early in the season-than do aerial achenes; however, those produced by peripheral achenes of the aerial capitula grow at the highest rate. Subterranean achenes spread germination over time; they constitute a very safe means of reproduction and an available achene reserve on soil. Aerial achenes spread germination in space, thereby increasing the distribution of the species." Dwergenpaartje (talk) 11:45, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Is ANY of that in the article itself? No, currently it is not in the article. That makes the hook not usable for the nomination. Add the material and cite it to the references.--Kevmin § 22:01, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
regrettably, I will not have time this week. Dwergenpaartje (talk) 11:53, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
I now changed the text in the Ecology section to not summarize the cited source but paraphrasing the summary from the article almost 1:1. I expect that @Kevmin: will now find fault in this new text or somewhere else. So let's end this tragedy here and now and . Dwergenpaartje (talk) 13:02, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
Why exactly did you decide deletion of the article was at any point warranted. I have requested its undeletion. you seem to be under the impression that i am being malicious with the nomination, I am not, I am following DYK and wiki policies only.--Kevmin § 19:55, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
I'm convinced you will continue to find issue with the article, whatever I may do with it. As no other editor did any substantial contribution to the article, it is my right to propose its deletion. I also hope I will never come in contact with you ever again. Dwergenpaartje (talk) 21:47, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new enough and long enough with good referencing. Hook is now in the article and cited/confirmed to the source. I do not see any remaining policy issues with the article and think it is good ot go.--Kevmin § 18:46, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
This response is extremely inconsistent. An article cannot first be burned down to the ground and than be all of a sudden be good enough. Dwergenpaartje (talk) 11:07, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
It wasnt "burned to the ground" (please do not be hyperbolic), it was being adjusted to match WIKI guidelines, you simply did not give the process time.--Kevmin § 20:53, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Yu Zigao

  • ... that Yu Zigao commanded the Chinese expedition that forced the Dutch off the Pescadores?
    • ALT1:... that Yu Zigao’s expedition against the Dutch on Penghu Island was responsible for their colonization of Taiwan?
    • ALT2:... that Yu Zigao commissioned several "red-barbarian cannon" as part of his expedition against the Dutch in 1624?
    • ALT3:... that Yu Zigao, dudu of Fujian and Zhejiang, was forced to flee the pirate fleet of Zheng Zhilong in 1628?
    • ALT4:... that Yu Zigao, military commander of Fujian and Zhejiang, was on friendly terms with the pirate Li Dan but was defeated by Li's protégé Zheng Zhilong?
  • Reviewed: Will do Goofus and Gallant
  • Comment: @Reviewers: Don't worry. Everything's covered but you only need to verify the hook(s) you're most interested in.

Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 13:54, 25 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough when nominated, long enough, QPQ done.
  • Thank you for the review. Since you split up the separate issues into bullet points, I'll just reply in the same format.
  • Running Away with the Circus is published by Lulu.com. Definitely not a reliable source.
  • It's published by Friendlysong Books (as shown in the article and verifiable at the linked work); it's sourcing minor information based on a personal visit to the site, which is fine if not scholarly; the cited information is unrelated to any of the hooks (and thus completely irrelevant to this DYK review though a very legitimate concern prior to GA status). Leaving the cite and the non-dubious information is better than removing either, but you're welcome to find a better source or note the objection on the article's talk page if you like. — LlywelynII 05:42, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
  • WP:SPS is part of policy. I can't even link to the page on lulu.com where the book is listed because the domain lulu.com is blacklisted. Now, if we can show that the author is an expert, then using a self-published book is okay, but I don't agree that leaving the cite to a self-published book in is better than removing it. I'm happy to get a third-opinion on this, however. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:43, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Earwig's tool shows no violations and random googling of three phrases turned up no evidence of plagiarism.
  • Can we standardize the way the subject is referred to in the article - we have Zigao, Yu, and Yu Zigao. Normally I'd have fixed this myself but I'm not sure which is the convention and/or complies with the MOS.
  • Of course not. Now that I've looked up your name, I'm pretty sure you already know this. When he's being distinguished from his father or other members of his family, you use his first name. Elsewhere in the article it's perfectly standard to alternate between using the last name by itself and the full name. See literally any biography article on this or any other encyclopedia. That said, I had forgotten to add the {{chinese name}} template, so thanks for that reminder.
  • The relevant guideline is WP:SURNAME, and I was just trying to spare you someone coming along and complaining that it's wrong for our MOS. If you prefer to not comply with the MOS, I'm certainly not going to hold up the DYK nom on it. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:43, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I prefer the first hook, but it isn't clear in the article that Yu Zigao was actually in command of the forces that forced the Dutch off the islands. ALT2 is directly supported by a citation. Likewise ALT4. [—User:Ealdgyth.]
  • He was the military governor (i.e., supreme commander) for the region, he assembled the forces, and he was the one who personally forced the Dutch to remove themselves. There's a linked cite if any of that is unclear. If that doesn't meet your idea of "command", well, there are the other hooks.

    Also, kindly remember to sign your name to your posts. — LlywelynII 05:42, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Given the recent number of pulled hooks over similar wording issues, let's err on the safe side. Yes, normally I would assume that "commanded" fit in this situation, but you know what they say ... "assume makes an ass out of me". As for the forgetting to sign, I apologize. Ealdgyth - Talk 12:43, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Mazu Temple (Magong)

  • ... that Magong's Mazu Temple claims to be the oldest temple in Taiwan?
    • ALT1:... that Magong, the seat of Taiwan's Pescadores Islands, grew up around and is named for its temple to Mazu?
    • ALT2:... that, despite being Taiwan's oldest temple, the present-day Mazu Temple on Penghu Island mostly dates to a 1922 renovation?
    • ALT3:... that Taiwan's oldest temple, the Mazu temple on Penghu Island, is mainly the result of artists from the mainland?
    • ALT4:... that the Mazu Temple on Penghu Island, Taiwan's oldest, was renovated by both Yu Dayou and his son Yu Zigao, following their victories over Japanese pirates and the Dutch, respectively?
  • Reviewed: Will do HMS Negro
  • Comment: @Reviewers: Don't worry. Everything's covered but you only need to verify the hook(s) you're most interested in. If it's ALT3, I can change the article's wording if needed. (Tangshan, Guangzhou, and Chaozhou are on the mainland. It's not necessary for the article to mention that, but you might want it to for the hook.)

Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 13:12, 25 December 2016 (UTC).

The Rockpile

5x expanded by Acfrue (talk). Self-nominated at 17:24, 22 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg article neutral and of sufficient size. written neutrally, no copyvio detected, need to put reference inline at end of sentence that it supports. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:41, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 23

2011 in politics

Kim Jong-Il
Kim Jong-Il

5x expanded by ThatGuyJabbles (talk). Nominated by Jaobar (talk) at 04:04, 30 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg This has been significantly expanded. DYKcheck doesn't count bulleted items such as this but I do. However, many of these items are unsourced, and at least one requires clarification. I stopped reviewing where I stopped tagging, while I await referencing for all items. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:23, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Dear Muboshgu, thank you for your review and for your comments. I looked through the article and see only a few "citation needed" requests and other missing citations from almost 200 bullet points and citations added. If you don't mind my saying, this suggests to me that your comment "many of these items are unsourced" is an overstatement. I will email the individual that expanded the article today and request that these additions be added right away. This shouldn't be a problem as there are only a few instances where citations are missing. I hope that once this is completed that you will update your review and we can hopefully move this process forward. Thanks again. Best, Jaobar (talk) 21:35, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Like I said, I stopped reviewing part way through. I can add the rest, because the items of June 5, September 21, and December 26 need sources. There is also the matter of the QPQ review that needs to be completed. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:39, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I have emailed the student and expect to see edits soon. I will add a comment here once edits have been made. Thanks again for your help with this. Best, Jaobar (talk) 21:44, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I can acknowledge that I overstated based on a generalization how much more sourcing is needed here. It's not as bad as it initially appeared to me, once I got the rest of the way through the article. I will need to do a more thorough review to ensure that no other clarifications are needed on any points. – Muboshgu (talk) 21:46, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Monument to Women Memorial Garden

Created by FallingGravity (talk). Self-nominated at 05:17, 24 December 2016 (UTC).

Symbol possible vote.svg Not a review of the full nomination but we cannot use the image (at least on the main page) as, being a copyrighted three-dimensional artwork, it is exempt from freedom of panorama under U.S. copyright law and thus any photograph of it is legally a derivative work. In fact, it cannot be hosted on Commons, either. Daniel Case (talk) 18:37, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
@Daniel Case: I've removed the photo from hook. If the image is deleted from Commons then I will remove it from the article, too. FallingGravity 19:25, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Well, you could actually host it here under fair use; we do have a template allowing for that exemption (If you want to do this let me know; I'm very good at writing the rationale to satisfy the free-use zealots). Daniel Case (talk) 06:53, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review still needed. FallingGravity 03:23, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Goofus and Gallant

  • ... that philosopher Theodore Sider has argued that sending Gallant to Heaven and Goofus to Hell would be unjust on God's part? Source: "Since membership in Heaven and Hell is determinate, and everyone goes to exactly one, it follows that there must be a first member of this sequence who goes to Hell. Goofus, who has mental state Mi, goes to Hell, whereas Gallant, with mental state Mi−1, goes to Heaven. But provided we choose n large enough, Goofus and Gallant will be extremely similar. It is impossible to believe that a just God would treat such a pair so differently. ... Thus, even if epistemicism is true, God could not justly send Gallant to Heaven and Goofus to Hell." (Ref 8)

Created by Bobamnertiopsis (talk). Self-nominated at 08:23, 23 December 2016 (UTC).

  • On it. But you should be aware that the extra links in your hook are just going to siphon clicks to the page you're trying to promote. If people want to know more about Mr Sider or what wiki has to say about Heaven and Hell, make 'em click through your article to get to them. — LlywelynII 15:22, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg I'll do the rest of the review but right off the bat the hook fails WP:LEAST and WP:EGG. The article isn't about a philosophical hypothetical but a defunct cartoon. The Gallant and Goofus of the cartoon are pointedly distinct, whereas Mr Sider's (by design) are indistinguishable to human observers. He should be mentioned in the article as a legacy and the hook is probably more interesting than anything about the eminently forgettable main topic... but the hook should still address the content of the actual article, not something entirely different that just borrowed its name. — LlywelynII 15:37, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
  • That's fair, LlywelynII; thanks for the review. How about an ALT1: ... that Goofus and Gallant have never appeared together in a panel of their comic? Cited to ref #1, "But they have never appeared in the same drawing"

    Also, I started a QPQ review. Thanks! BobAmnertiopsisChatMe! 19:43, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Hi, I came by to promote ALT1, but I was wondering what you think of this alt:
  • ALT2: ... that a critic of the didactic comic strip Goofus and Gallant observed that the "obnoxious" Goofus may appeal to children more than the "do-gooder" Gallant? Yoninah (talk) 22:05, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Thanks. Yes, someone else needs to approve my hook. Pinging @LlywelynII:. Yoninah (talk) 22:23, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Humphrey Brooke (art historian)

Created by Edwardx (talk) and Joseph2302 (talk). Nominated by Joseph2302 (talk) at 23:23, 28 December 2016 (UTC).

Symbol confirmed.svg Hook Alt-1 is good to go (though, may want to tweak "over" to "more than", but not a big deal). Full review:
  • Sourcing: Two sources are provided for Alt-0, one (The Guardian) does not appear to contain an approximation of the quote "could only be cured by sex and smoking" while the other contains an indirect version of the quote, but not the quote itself (namely, it says, "He suffered from manic depression and believed it could only be cured by sex and smoking."). It's also not 100% clear the second source is RS as it's a personal website so probably doesn't have a gatekeeping process (though is the personal website of an academically qualified person, so maybe it is). Alt1 is fully cited inline and supported by sources.
  • Hook: Both hooks are interesting and concise.
  • Image: No image to review against.
  • Length: Article is more than 1500 characters in length.
  • QPQ: a QPQ is in-progress - Kobe Port Tower
  • Newness: Article created December 23 and nominated less than 7 days later
  • NPOV: article and hook are NPOV
  • Plagiarism: Earwig indicates "violation unlikely"
DarjeelingTea (talk) 19:56, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 24

Ted Meines

Created by Crispulop (talk). Self-nominated at 15:24, 29 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Length and date ok. But the hook is odd, he was seemingly alive at the time he gave the sermons. The hook needs to be reworked. File:Luitenant_Generaal_Ted_Meines_2013.jpg can be added to the hook, it is on Commons. --Soman (talk) 16:18, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
  • The hook relates to this part of the article text: "In 1942 Meines was arrested, but was broken out by resistance members before he could be deported to a concentration camp. Afterwards Meines had to take another alias, and took that of deceased minister Sjoeke Nutma. Due to Meines still being wanted he was forced to also act like a minister. In this role Meines delivered sermons to full churches." I hope that clarifies things for you. Crispulop (talk) 13:29, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I personally like the original hook especially because of the implied impossibility. But I'll leave the hook or ALT up to someone else. Crispulop (talk) 21:46, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Full review needed. The initial review above did not address all points of the WP:DYKRULES. North America1000 12:46, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Dusky bushbaby

  • ... that female dusky bushbabies carry their infants in their mouths and sometimes "park" them on branches near their nest holes? Source: "Mothers use their mouths to carry their infant. They also "park" their infants, leaving them on branches outside their nestholes while foraging"

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 11:48, 29 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg eligibility for DYK is from this article having been substantially expanded on 24 December and nominated five days later. The prose section was expanded 10-fold and a couple of references introduced. The prose section of this article is now long enough to be organised in sections. The text of the article is neutral and policy-compliant. The four sources are mostly available online, although only the first page of the 2013 reference on Mammals of Africa is accessible without subscription. There are some other common names that are not included in the article but are mentioned in the IUCN reference and the 2013 reference on Mammals of Africa: "Spectacled lesser-spotted galago" and "Eastern needle-clawed galago". Also the 2013 source also mentions a later attempt at classification by Schwartz in 1931 unaware that Lorenz had classified this mammal in 1917. Had these been included they may have also been interesting hooks. Anyway, I did not detect any copyright issues or any close paraphrasing, so have accepted this all in good faith. The hook suggested is short enough, interesting enough, policy-compliant and is sourced. There is no image included in the nomination. QPQ has been declared. Good to Go. Drchriswilliams (talk) 17:12, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

Rhiannan Iffland

  • * ... that after being granted a wildcard entry, Australian high diver Rhiannan Iffland went on to win the 2016 Cliff Diving World Series championship in her rookie year? Source: "Australian wildcard Rhiannan Iffland has stormed to victory at the Red Bull Cliff Diving World Series finale in Dubai, taking home the coveted King Kahekili Trophy."..."Even though she is a rookie, she recorded a set of spectacular dives."[43] "A wildcard entrant, Iffland produced a dream debut season, shocking everyone and rewriting the history books by becoming the first ever wildcard entrant to win a Red Bull Cliff Diving Women's title."[44]
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
  • Comment: 1 moved from userspace 24 December 2016. 2 not sure re Supp rule F 10 so have piped out brand name from event just in case.

Created by JennyOz (talk). Self-nominated at 07:25, 28 December 2016 (UTC).

Liquidambar changii

  • ... that the extinct sweetgum Liquidambar changii was described from petrified fossil fruits and hollow fruit casts in chert?

Source: " encased within the chert (Figs. 8, 9, 13–18, 20–24, 26, 27, 29). Others were found secondarily weathered out from the matrix, revealing their three-dimensional organization (Figs. 3, 4, 7). Still other specimens represent casts of individual fruits" (Pigg, K. B.; Ickert-Bond, S. M.; Wen,, J. (2004))

    • ALT1:... that the extinct sweetgum Liquidambar changii was described from the "Hi hole" location in Central Washington State?

Source: "Fossils were recovered from the locality referred to locally as the “County Line Holes,” primarily from the area within the site designated “Hi Hole” by the original collectors, T. H. Tuggle and Raymond D. Foisy." (Pigg, K. B.; Ickert-Bond, S. M.; Wen,, J. (2004))

Created/expanded by Kevmin (talk). Self-nominated at 16:39, 26 December 2016 (UTC).

Transfer function matrix

Moved to mainspace by Spinningspark (talk). Self-nominated at 19:36, 25 December 2016 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 25

Ingeborg Weber-Kellermann

  • ... that Ingeborg Weber-Kellermann wrote a collection of Christmas carols with background information about them, and a book about rural life in the 19th century which was not idyllic? Source: both books have their source.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 21:05, 1 January 2017 (UTC).

Rossa Matilda Richter

The 14-year-old Richter with her cannon in 1877.
The 14-year-old Richter with her cannon in 1877.
  • ... that the first recorded human cannonball act was 14-year-old Rossa Matilda Richter's 1877 performance in London? Source: "A 14-year-old acrobat, Rosa Richter - Zazel - was chosen to be fired out of it and became the first recorded human cannonball." BBC (there are others in the article)

Created by Rhododendrites (talk). Self-nominated at 20:04, 31 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Without the image The article is long enough, and new enough at the time of nomination. It is within policy and stable. The hook is interesting, a QPQ has been completed and spotchecks have been carried out for paraphrasing. I don't see any evidence that the image was published prior to 1923, which would be required for it to be free-use. Indeed, Getty Images apparently claim a 2009 copyright on it, so unless there is compelling evidence to the contrary, we can't use it on the main page, and we might have to consider its use on the encyclopedia at all. Even fair-use is a bit iffy where Getty are involved. Harrias talk 16:56, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Hold please - At work and can't take the time to look into this at the moment, but I'd like to open a discussion on Commons regarding copyright. No doubt they've encountered something like this before. My understanding of copyright (in the UK for this image, and US for Wikimedia), since Getty includes a creation date of January 01, 1877, it should be in the public domain. I'm not entirely certain of that, and know that creation and publication are different things. I'll open that thread later today and link it here. To the closing admin please hold off on closing this for now. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 18:59, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
  • For clarity, I've changed the symbol above. Feel free to tag me into discussion wherever it ends up (I'm interested in the outcome as much as anything else.) Harrias talk 19:23, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Annabelle (magazine

  • ... that Tamedia, the publishing company of the Swiss women's magazine, Annabelle, banned it from reporting critical political news in 2013?

Created by Egeymi (talk). Self-nominated at 14:32, 28 December 2016 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 26

Girl with Peaches

The Girl with Peaches.

Reviewed: Use of bayonets for crowd control.

Created/expanded by Moscow Connection (talk). Self-nominated at 00:00, 3 January 2017 (UTC).

  • re main hook - the Russian sources do not say that she had to sit at the table for a month. Serov recalls taking a month to paint the picture, which is by no means the same thing. Also the Russian source you give here for ALT1 does not support this alternative. I haven't checked the others, but please supply verifiable English language sources for whichever hook you use, otherwise I think this submission will be unacceptable.Smerus (talk) 08:14, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
    • Hi. Are you fluent in Russian as your user page suggests? Why English-language sources then? It is not by any means a requirement.
      A. Serov recalls taking a month to paint the picture, which is by no means the same thing.
      — The source I gave [51] explicitly states that she posed for the painting for almost two months, several hours per day. I didn't say it like that in the article because to me Serov's words (cited in the article already) meant the same thing. (Okay, that was how I understood it, but it is indid possible that she didn't sit at the table all the time. Unlikely, but possible. I will look into it.)
      B. Also the Russian source you give here for ALT1 does not support this alternative.
      —Serov jokingly said he "tortured [exhausted] her, poor thing, to death". Why can't it be used to support this hook?
      C. [52] and [53]
      — There are two sources in the article, both explicitly state it is Serov's most famous painting. Argumenty and Facty [54]: "Самая знаменитая его картина" ("His most famous painting") (Now I see it is a quote from a tweet, but it is repeated in the article's text as if it were a fact). ADME.ru: "самая знаменитая картина [...] Серова" ("Serov's [...] most famous painting"). And I must say the word "знаменитая" in Russian has a stronger, more emphatic meaning. It is closer to "famed", "renowned" , "celebrated". Anyway, it is Serov's most famous painting, clear and simple. Believe me. There can be no doubt whatsoever. I can find more sources.
      Anyway, you should AGF. Cause your words ("this submission will be unacceptable") sound like you think this nomination was done in bad faith. And it really upsets me. I will ask for help at Wikipedia:WikiProject Russia. (Just in case someone will really want to kill this nomination.)
      (This painting is very famous. That's why I decided to nominate it for DYK in the very last moment. It is probably more famous than 99% of the things that have been featured in the picture spot at DYK.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 14:32, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Please read carefully the rules about the hook which are clearly stated in WP:DYK
Cited hook – The fact(s) mentioned in the hook must be cited in the article.
Facts should have an inline citation. The article as a whole should use inline, cited sources.
The hook should include a definite fact that is mentioned in the article and interesting to a broad audience.
Each fact in the hook must be supported in the article by at least one inline citation to a reliable source, appearing no later than the end of the sentence(s) offering that fact. Citations at the end of the paragraph are not sufficient.

The fact that you disagree with my assessment does not excuse you from meeting the requirements of DYK (nor by the way does it entitle you to use disagreeable language about myself). "The fact(s) mentioned in the hook must be cited in the article". The sources which verify the hook should be valid, and should be the sources you use with the hook in the article itself. 'Argumenty i fakty' and the 'Vokrug sveta' website are not reliable secondary sources for information about fine art. I cannot accept these tertiary references, in a foreign language, which are not cited in the article itself, as justifying the hook(s). And indeed some of the material of the hooks is not stated as such in the article. The fact that a tweet is quoted in a website article does not give it citeable status. I believe that submissions to English WP DYK, and articles in English WP, should be supported by English language citations wherever possible - otherwise how can users be confident they are accurate? Your certainty that the picture is знаменитая is WP:OR; if it is really so famous you should be able to find an appropriate citation in English which says so. Perhaps you will find another reviewer who is less fastidious, but alas I try to stick by the rules. Всего доброго - Smerus (talk) 20:14, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

1. I've found this article [55] that says that "[у Веры] плохо получалось часами сидеть за столом в жару, не шевелясь". (Did she really have to sit there for hours absolutely motionless?)
Anyway, sorry if it sounded like I was going to leave the first hook in with the current source. You said it wasn't the same thing, and I agreed that the source didn't actually say she sat at the table the whole time. I said I'd look into it.
If you or anyone else is going to review this DYK, just forget about the first hook for now. I will strike it out cause I need some time to think about how I can rephrase it. And then I can always add it back as another alternative version.
2. The "most famous" thing is not mentioned in any of the hooks and never was. Let's talk about it on the article's talk page. It's not a big deal. But if you looked at the article's talk page, you'd see I that I had found a book that says the same thing about the painting being "the most famous". (I've searched only in Russian, I will search in English right now and see what I can find.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 00:15, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Henry L. Reaves

5x expanded by Gulbenk (talk). Self-nominated at 18:50, 2 January 2017 (UTC).

Policy compliance:

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - Being a cattle raiser on land that was later Disney World might work but not as it currently stands. Also, he was a state congressman for 38 years, you might want to try to use that as well!
QPQ: None required.

Overall: Symbol possible vote.svg Looks good otherwise but why isn't the article located at Henry Reaves? (btw, I've been out of the DYK game for a while so I apologize in advance for any mistakes I might have made). Regards SoWhy 21:33, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Thank you for reviewing this nomination!
  • I have paraphrased two of the three quotes you mentioned. The third has been modified. It is part of a eulogy. Would it not be appropriate to directly quote in this instance... if the article cites the speaker (a state senator)?
  • I agree that the first hook could be seen as bland. But doesn't ATL1 hold some interest? ("land baron" + the insanely low price of the land sold to Disney)
  • I was simply expanding an existing article, so I can't speak directly to the reason why the original editor chose Henry L. Reaves instead of Henry Reaves.

Gulbenk (talk) 15:08, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

A direct quote only makes sense when the quote is memorable in itself. "Ich bin ein Berliner!" is a good direct quote, "he did this and that" is not. As for the hooks, "sold out" carries negative connotations ("sell-out") and the rest is still not really catchy. How about
Of course, I couldn't approve this suggestion myself. Regards SoWhy 19:42, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
  • The last quote has been eliminated. I appreciate the guidance on that, since I think I have been misusing quotes for some time...
  • Can I suggest one small tweak to the hook? US Farmers and Ranchers Alliance says that "farmers" are folks who primarily raise crops, as well as hogs, dairy and poultry. While those who raise cattle or sheep are "ranchers".

Gulbenk (talk) 21:44, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Regarding ALT1 and the term sold out. It could be seen as a double entendre, a turn of phrase favored at DYK, I believe. The initial meaning simply refers to selling the land, and the second meaning you alluded to, meaning something akin to betrayal of the ranching tradition by "selling out" to the Mouse. Gulbenk (talk) 14:30, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I got that but I think it's misleading since most people will think of the second meaning. I'm happy you agree with my ALT2 suggestion, but as I said, since it was my suggestion, DYK review rules prevent me from approving it myself. Other than the hook, it looks clear, so...
Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Will a non-involved editor please approve ALT2? Also, I'd like a second opinion if we should move the article to Henry Reaves first. Regards SoWhy 18:08, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Sri Lankan Christmas tree

Sri Lankan Christmas tree
Sri Lankan Christmas tree

Created by AntanO (talk). Self-nominated at 04:15, 27 December 2016 (UTC).

Symbol possible vote.svg This needs some minor work. Full review:

  • Hook – hook is interesting and short enough, however, please remove the ellipses (...) after "tree" (see issue in citation, also)
  • NPOV – article is NPOV
  • Length – I get a character count of 1775, including spaces but excluding infobox and references, so that seems okay.
  • Copyvio – Earwig returns "very unlikely"
  • Citation – The source is immediately cited, however, Yahoo and Washington Post both say "claimed" and I'm not 100% sure ColomboPage is RS. Can the hook be changed so that it says "is claimed to be" instead of "is considered to be"?
  • Image – none
  • QPQ – done here: Template:Did you know nominations/Myth & Roid
  • Newness – created December 26 so new enough

A very nice job on the article, AntanO. DarjeelingTea (talk) 06:43, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, DarjeelingTea for good review. I removed ellipses at the end of line. I will suggest/change hook, and consider to adding free image by tomorrow. --AntanO 06:55, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
@DarjeelingTea:, I made change as you suggested and did some edits, and also added an image too. Unfortunately, I had bad climate during capture the image. If it not suite, we can ignore the image. ColomboPage is RS and we could see many articles that use it as reference. --AntanO 02:09, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Wow that's a really wonderful image. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to suggest you needed to go take one, only that I wasn't reviewing for an image since there wasn't one here. Anyway, everything looks good. Great job, again, AntanO. DarjeelingTea (talk) 04:50, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you DarjeelingTea. Yes, you didn't mean to suggest for an image. I thought to have one :). --AntanO 05:00, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Symbol possible vote.svg I was going to promote this, but I see there are no references in the second paragraph, the important one with all the facts and figures. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 09:38, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Updated. --AntanO 10:02, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 27

White-throated honeyeater

White-throated honeyeater
White-throated honeyeater
  • ... that the white-throated honeyeater (pictured) was known as the gay honeyeater in the early 20th century? Source: Fraser/Australian bird names
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self-nominated at 15:19, 31 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Nice article, up to the usual high standards. It's new enough, long enough, reliably sourced, well-written and illustrated. The hook fact is interesting and sourced. I think there could be a more amusing version though. What do you think of the following? Prioryman (talk) 18:04, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg* ... that the white-throated honeyeater (pictured) used to be gay, but isn't any more?
  • Possibly a trifle on the glib side but gave me a chuckle....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:34, 9 January 2017 (UTC)


Arung Palakka

Arung Palakka
Arung Palakka

Created by HaEr48 (talk). Self-nominated at 05:31, 3 January 2017 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on December 28

Quatre motets pour un temps de pénitence

Converted from a redirect by Gerda Arendt (talk). Self-nominated at 23:23, 4 January 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New article from redirect is 1,989 characters long and nominated 7 days after first expansion. Cursory read through sources reveal no close paraphrasing issues (AGF foreign-language one). Article is well-sourced. Hook is 155 characters long (under 200 character max.) and is interesting. The Schmidt ref (verifying the hook) is a reliable source from Google Books. QPQ done. Looks good to go! —Bloom6132 (talk) 05:42, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Coromandel lacquer

Cabinet with lacquer panels
Cabinet with lacquer panels

5x expanded by Johnbod (talk). Self-nominated at 04:08, 3 January 2017 (UTC).

  • expanded 1162 to 8142 by my count. Johnbod (talk) 13:19, 3 January 2017 (UTC)


The chemical structure of apparicine
The chemical structure of apparicine
  • ... that establishing the structure of apparicine was a notable early use of nuclear magnetic resonance decoupling to determine a chemical structure? Saxton, J. Edwin, ed. (1983). "Indoles: Part Four: The Monoterpenoid Indole Alkaloids". The Chemistry of Heterocyclic Compound. 25. John Wiley & Sons. ISBN 0470188448. , page 287
    • ALT1:... that the chemical structure of apparicine was established by nuclear magnetic resonance decoupling using the 1H isotope of hydrogen? Phillipson, John David; Zenk, M.H., eds. (1980). Indole and Biogenetically Related Alkaloids. Annual proceedings of the Phytochemical Society of Europe. 17. Phytochemical Society of Europe. Academic Press. ISBN 0125544502. ISSN 0309-9393. , page 230
    • ALT2:... that the alkaloid apparicine has moderate to strong activity against some human pathogens? Schmelzer, G.H.; Gurib-Fakim, A., eds. (2008). Medicinal Plants. 1. PROTA Foundation, Backhuys Publishers. ISBN 9789057822049. ISSN 1877-430X. , page 590
    • ALT3:... that the alkaloid apparicine exhibits strong activity against poliovirus type 3? Schmelzer, G.H.; Gurib-Fakim, A., eds. (2008). Medicinal Plants. 1. PROTA Foundation, Backhuys Publishers. ISBN 9789057822049. ISSN 1877-430X. , page 592
    • ALT4:... that the alkaloid apparicine exhibits cytotoxicity against an experimental lymphocytic leukemia cell line? Schmelzer, G.H.; Gurib-Fakim, A., eds. (2008). Medicinal Plants. 1. PROTA Foundation, Backhuys Publishers. ISBN 9789057822049. ISSN 1877-430X. , page 592

Created by Mindmatrix (talk). Self-nominated at 17:18, 1 January 2017 (UTC).

Revolutionary Communist Party of India

5x expanded by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 21:36, 28 December 2016 (UTC).

December 2016 Polish protests

Protesting MPs of the opposition
Protesting MPs of the opposition

Created by Orbwiki107 (talk). Self-nominated at 09:10, 28 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg The article is not new enough. It had to be nominated not later than 24 December 2017. --Mhhossein talk 17:32, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I would be inclined to allow some leeway, especially for a first DYK nomination (which this is), and four days is just within that period. However, the article is not long enough (DYKcheck finds 1417 prose characters, below the absolute minimum of 1500), and it definitely needs a copyedit to improve the English prose. If the article cannot be expanded, there's not much point in proceeding. As far as the copyedit goes, Piotrus, is this something you'd be willing to help with? If not, once the article has been expanded, a request can be made at the Guild of Copy Editors. (I would, however, expand beyond 1500 characters, because articles frequently end up shorter after a good copyedit.) BlueMoonset (talk) 16:55, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Now, I'm in favor of extending the time criteria. However, the hook needs to be changed as Piotrus said. Mhhossein talk 08:00, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 29

Northern needle-clawed bushbaby, Southern needle-clawed bushbaby

Northern needle-clawed bushbaby
Northern needle-clawed bushbaby

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 11:20, 4 January 2017 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Article created in 2007 but expanded more than 5X between 30 Dec 16 to 4 Jan 17. Long enough. QPQ done. No issues with picture and Copyvio Detector tool does not report any issues. Good to go. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 16:37, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Gold Butte National Monument

Created by NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) and Neutrality (talk). Nominated by NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) at 00:33, 30 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Only 864 characters, & rightly classed as a stub. See the rules at WP:DYK. But could no doubt be expanded - only begun 29 December, but needs doing quickly. Johnbod (talk) 13:47, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Ok, now 2206 chars. New, neutral and long enough. No QPQ done - nominator's userpage claims 3 DYKs. Earwig says: "Violation Unlikely, 4.8% confidence". Hook 192 chars, but could be shortened:

ALT!.. that the desert bighorn sheep, cougar and threatened Mojave Desert tortoise, are among the animals whose habitat is protected in the Gold Butte National Monument in southeastern Nevada?" saves a bit.

Per the source given ("The monument will serve as a connection between Lake Mead National Recreation Area and the Grand Canyon-Parashant National Monument, protecting a wildlife corridor for desert bighorn sheep, mountain lions and the threatened Mojave Desert tortoise, said Christy Goldfuss, managing director at the White House Council on Environmental Quality.") only the tortoise is threatened, more clearly reflected in my version. Johnbod (talk) 13:22, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote 4.svg I have removed the stub tag, added 2 pics, and done ALT1, so a re-review should be done. Johnbod (talk) 13:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

List of Antarctic churches

Trinity church, King George Island, Antarctica
Trinity church, King George Island, Antarctica

Created by Found5dollar (talk). Self-nominated at 00:54, 30 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg This list is new enough and has 1520 characters (234 words) of "readable prose" outside the tables. It is written in neutral style and the hook fact and other claims are supported by inline citations. Spot checks reveal no evidence of plagiarism or close paraphrasing. The hook is short and interesting (I had no idea there were any churches in Antarctica). The picture is suitably licenced (although it might be useful to have (Trinity church, King George Island pictured) rather than (sample pictured). QPQ still needed.— Rod talk 08:59, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Symbol question.svg The main source messynessychic.com is a blog and not WP:RS which is used to source the quantity of seven churches on Antarctica. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 04:49, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for the reviews. I am still waiting to find a hook that I feel comfortable reviewing for QPQ. I will post when I have competed one. I have added two refs for the seven number, one from Mashable[58], and one from Vice[59]. The vice one is problematic as it states 6 churches, but it helps clarify some of the Antarctic Churches not on Antarctica.Found5dollar (talk) 14:06, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for doing the refs and QPQ.— Rod talk 08:23, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
That messynessychic.com being non-RS shouldn't be used at all in the article. This was just a passer-by comment. @Rodw: please don't wait for me to return back here. You may continue with your review after this issue is sorted out. And that "sample pictured" was added by me. You guys can change it as seems suitable. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 05:37, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the reminder to return to this nomination. Do you think the Mashable article which is also used to support the claim in the hook counts as a reliable source? If so, the messynessychic one could be removed and the hook would still be supported.— Rod talk 15:42, 14 January 2017 (UTC)
I removed the MessyNessyChic reference. I also updated the hook's (pictured) note to include which church is pictured.Found5dollar (talk) 03:59, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Thanks. I think this now addresses the concerns & therefore "Good to Go".— Rod talk 18:46, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg I'm not familiar with Mashable, but I would think you can find a list of these 7 churches in a reliable source. According to this page, one of the churches closed in 2015. Yoninah (talk) 21:31, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, that church did not close. It just does not hold catholic masses anymore. It states this in the article you linked where it says "A military chaplaincy will offer interdenominational services and pastoral care". That is why it is listed on the wiki page as being a Non-denominal church, not a Catholic church. Also, if Mashable is not a reliable source than I am sure "Churchmilitant.com" is not one either. I found a new news source that lists the churches and sourced it to that.[60] The bigger issue is that this source has an additional church. According to them there are 8 churches on Antarctica proper. The ninth one they list is included in the list of antarctic churches not on Antarctica. I have updated the hook with this new information as cited.Found5dollar (talk) 03:14, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────@Found5dollar: thank you, that new source looks good, and it is also the most current. The last thing I'm wondering is why you're calling them "churches" and not "chapels", since most of them are part of research stations? Yoninah (talk) 10:25, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Yoninah, This article is about all free standing buildings on Antarctica that are dedicated for religious services. My understanding is that all free standing chapels are churches, but not all churches are chapels. A church is, according to our own wiki articles, "a building used for Christian religious activities, particularly worship services," while a chapel is "a religious place of fellowship, prayer and worship that is attached to a larger, often nonreligious institution..." By these definitions either term would be acceptable for the vast majority of the free standing structures in Antarctica used for christian worship services. The main issue that pushed me to use the term "church" in the title is that one of the buildings, Trinity Church, explicitly uses that term and, as it is not explicitly connected to the base it is located at, it doesn't meet the criteria of a chapel. If we called that article "list of Antarctic chapels" it would be incorrect because there is one explicit church in the mix, and the title "list of antarctic churches and chapels" is redundant because all of the structures on the list meet the requirements to be considered a church. Found5dollar (talk) 03:32, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg OK, thanks for the explanation. Hook ref verified and cited inline. Rest of review per Rodw. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 12:28, 20 January 2017 (UTC)s

Charles Hastings Judd

Charles Hastings Judd
Charles Hastings Judd

Created by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 23:37, 29 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Article is new enough and long enough. Sources are neutral and verifiable. No close paraphrasing problems. QPQ done. Hook is supported by in-line citation (Li Hongzhang is referred to as "the viceroy" and the anecdote about him appears on pg. 95 of the cited source). I was also impressed with how many of the citations are available online! Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 20:52, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I forgot to review the picture. It is in the public domain, as the commons page states. The book it was taken from was published before 1923. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 20:56, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
  • @KAVEBEAR: Do you mean "mistakenly thought to be...?" Yoninah (talk) 21:08, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Sure that works too.KAVEBEAR (talk) 21:09, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Ok sure. Let's get this approved. Symbol redirect vote 4.svg --KAVEBEAR (talk) 02:37, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

George W. Macfarlane

Kalākaua with Macfarlane and Baker
Kalākaua with Macfarlane and Baker

Source: [61]

Created by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 06:38, 30 December 2016 (UTC).

  • New, long enough, meets policy criteria. No apparent copyvio or unacceptable paraphrase.
  • hook length Ok, is sourced, is moderately interesting. But it's unclear from the hook who exactly died. Suggest replace 'he died' by 'the King died'.
  • QPQ undertaken. Pic seems to meet requirements.
  • Symbol question.svg Needs clarification of hook, otherwise OK.Smerus (talk) 12:39, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
@Smerus: Changed.--KAVEBEAR (talk) 18:40, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Then good to go by me. Smerus (talk) 22:11, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 30

Chenail Island

Chenail Island
Chenail Island
  • ... that a monument on Chenail Island (pictured) honors the families that lived there before much of the island was flooded forcing them to leave? Source: Actual monument inscription: "This monument is erected in honour of the families that were expropriated in 1961, due to the construction of the Carillon Hydro-electric dam." [62]

Created by MB (talk). Self-nominated at 03:39, 6 January 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol possible vote.svg Nominated six days after creation, and over 3000 bytes, satisfying length and date criteria. QPQ completed. Image is OK, and despite being small, is fine as a DYK thumbnail. Please replace reference 3 - it is a scraper site, and the referenced fact is an embedded Google query image result (to a Panoramio photo) on that page. I will assume good faith for references 4 and 5, which are used to support the bulk of the first paragraph in the "History" section. The phrase "was built approximately 12 mi (19 km) downstream from the island raised the water level by over 9 feet" has a citation, but I cannot find the info in the reference (this one); please add page numbers for the cited material so I can find it. (some of it may be sourced to ref 8, such as the bit about being 12 miles away.) The clause "including all of the parcels (approximately 50) on Chenail Island" is not supported by ref 8 (which does support the remainder of the sentence), but it is supported by ref 6; please update this. The single-sentence first paragraph of the "Geography" section has no sources; all paragraphs must have a source, per WP:DYKAR, rule D2 (and given this does not "summarize other cited content"). Reference 9 is self-sourcing (Chenail Cultural Centre website, about Chenail Cultural Centre and the Island House); this and this are possible substitutions, though they don't state 1832 or some other details in that paragraph. For the "Monument de la Francophonie", does the French source (here) stating "lys" mean "lily", as you've stated in the article, or "fleur-de-lys", the symbol. The section "The Snye/Le Chenail Monument" is sourced to a blog; please replace this source. I found this, which is a better source. Given that this is the subject of the hook, the hook also fails with this blog source. (Aside: I might be willing to accept it, given that it is a photograph proving the existence of the monument, and clearly showing the text, but given the availability of other sources, this isn't really necessary.) As a side effect of my review, I created the commons category Chenail Island, and also uploaded a few photos to it; this may or may not be of interest to you. Although there are quite a few things to address, most should be straightforward. Mindmatrix 16:52, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Mindmatrix: I've moved some references and added more. I think I have taken care of everything. MB 20:35, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Symbol question.svg @MB: Good to go, but it needs one more tweak. I'm accepting several offline refs in good faith, and the blog with the photo of the monument because it is now coupled with another reference. Although the hook is OK, can the wording be improved (say, as ALT1)? Also, flooding is not specifically mentioned in the article, so either it cannot be mentioned in the hook, or you need to add it to the article. Mindmatrix 03:54, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
  • ALT1:... that a monument on Chenail Island (pictured) honors the families that were forced to leave their homes before the island was flooded?


Amar Jawan Jyoti

Amar Jawan Jyoti
Amar Jawan Jyoti
  • ...that since 1971, fire has been burning continuously in four urns around the Indian memorial Amar Jawan Jyoti (pictured)? Source: "Amar Jawan Jyoti".

Created by AKS.9955 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:48, 4 January 2017 (UTC).

  • New enough and long enough. Three phrases in the lead were closely paraphrased, and I changed them, so there's no close paraphrasing problems now. The information on indiagate.org was difficult to understand--perhaps something was lost in translation? The article appears neutral and its sources are sufficient. The photo doesn't have any license issues.
  • Symbol question.svg The fact in the hook is incorrect. One of the sources you cited, 5 Things Every Indian Needs to Know about the Amar Jawan Jyoti, states that the fire in only one of the urns burns year-round. The other urns are lit on special occasions. Here are two other hooks I propose (the second is just because I thought it was an interesting fact). What do you think of these? Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 21:58, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
  • ALT 1: ...that fire has been burning continuously in an urn at the Indian memorial Amar Jawan Jyoti since 1971 (pictured)?
  • ALT 2: ...that the person responsible for ensuring a flame is continuously lit at Amar Jawan Jyoti lives in a room inside the nearby India Gate?


BHIM App logo
BHIM App logo
  • ...that BHIM (pictured), is a mobile app launched by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi on 30 December 2016 to facilitate e-payments directly through banks?

Created by AKS.9955 (talk). Self-nominated at 06:37, 4 January 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol delete vote.svg By my count, this article barely meets the length threshold at roughly 1600 characters. Honestly, it still looks too short and reads/looks like a stub to me. Many subsections only have one uncited sentence, and the entirety of the "Benefits" section reads like an ad. There is also a Play Store link in the body of the article. In fact, much of the article reads like an advertisement; this is going to need lots of work.
As for the photo, I would recommend cropping around the edges to include only the logo. The rest of the text is superfluous.
As for the hook, I'm not sure what "launched" means. This is the same word used in the source here, but it sounds to me like he merely announced its release and was not an integral part of the app's development.--haha169 (talk) 05:33, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol possible vote.svg This is the correct icon for a nomination that needs work, not a flat-out rejection. Yoninah (talk) 22:21, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Apologies, that's the icon I'll go with as long as the nominated article is improved. --haha169 (talk) 02:15, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Faint Images of the Radio Sky at Twenty-Centimeters

Created by Mike Peel (talk). Self-nominated at 12:41, 1 January 2017 (UTC).

I Made It (Fantasia song)

Created by Aoba47 (talk). Self-nominated at 16:14, 31 December 2016 (UTC).

They Spent Their Wild Youthful Days in the Glittering World of the Salons

Cover for They Spent Their Wild Youthful Days in the Glittering World of the Salons
Cover for They Spent Their Wild Youthful Days in the Glittering World of the Salons
  • Reviewed: (Pending)

Created by Morganfitzp (talk). Self-nominated at 14:40, 31 December 2016 (UTC).

Lvinaya Past

The caldera viewed from above
The caldera viewed from above
  • Reviewed: The Three Kings
  • Comment: QPQ will be submitted later. Now done.

5x expanded by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 22:31, 30 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg Article before expansion was about 200 bytes, afterwards 2475, satisfying expansion criteria for size. Article nominated one day after expansion started. QPQ complete. Image is a public domain work, as it was generated by NASA, but it needs a better caption than "CAPTION TEXT GOES HERE". The sentence fragment "...suffered a large eruption..." is odd; why not just "erupted"? Likewise, "...amounts to..." -> "...was...". The fragment "caldera-forming eruption erupted" should be tweaked, perhaps replacing "erupted" with "ejected". The article uses two different ERA formats (BC, BCE) - please use one consistently throughout the article. The error of margin for the date of eruption in the text is different from that in the infobox (and sources seem to vary too; perhaps this can be mentioned in the text). I am assuming good faith for text sourced to references 2-6, 8, and 9, as I can't access the full articles and the abstracts don't contain any of the sourced info. I've merged two identical refs. The author name for sources 6 and 7 is probably the same, but spelled differently (Razzhigaeva or Razjigaeva); could you check this? It would be helpful to have page numbers for citations. The partial statement "claimed by both Japan and Russia" isn't supported by the associated citation. Hooks are short enough and verified from their respective sources. Once the few minor concerns are fixed, this can be promoted. Mindmatrix 20:17, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
    Mindmatrix Fixed caption. Changed text to "a large eruption occurred", "erupted" is difficult to combine with "large". Aabout "amounts to", I am bit wary of using past tense as it sounds like it was measured at the time. Fixed the other issues. I don't think the difference in error margin is something that can be meaningfully discussed, however. No idea what is going on with the names Razzhigaeva vs. Razjigaeva, they seem to be the same person but I don't know which one is correct. Page number citations require a bit more work. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:48, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
    Mindmatrix Added the pagenumbers. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 19:06, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go. Mindmatrix 00:55, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on December 31

Always B Miki

Created by Jlvsclrk (talk). Self-nominated at 16:34, 2 January 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol question.svg New enough. Long enough. Neutral tone. Reliable citations throughout. Well written. Lots of quotes. No copyright issues, as far as I can see. I prefer ALT1. The only thing missing is QPQ. Hybernator (talk) 01:29, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, Hybernator (talk). This is only my fourth DYK so I believe I'm still in the QPQ-free zone. (the others being Speightstown, Rood and Riddle and Susan Stover.) I will have to work my nerve up to start in on that soon! Jlvsclrk (talk) 02:27, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol confirmed.svg New enough. Long enough. Neutral tone. Reliable citations throughout. Well written. Lots of quotes. No copyright issues, as far as I can see. I prefer ALT1. No QPQ but the nominator says it's his 4th. Hybernator (talk) 02:33, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Walt Disney World Railroad

Train on the Walt Disney World Railroad
Train on the Walt Disney World Railroad

Improved to Good Article status by Jackdude101 (talk). Self-nominated at 06:08, 31 December 2016 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Recent GA. Referenced and hook is also cited. No neutrality or copyright issues suspected. QPQ not needed. Good to go.-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by KAVEBEAR (talkcontribs) 07:31, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

Arthur Daley (sportswriter)

Created by SteveStrummer (talk). Self-nominated at 22:16, 3 January 2017 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Article created on 31 Dec 16, long enough, QPQ done. Copyvio detector did not throw out any problems. Good to go. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 06:28, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 1

Masoala fork-marked lemur

  • ... that the adult male Masoala fork-marked lemur has a cutaneous gland on the throat which is rubbed against the female during social grooming? Source: "The throat gland is involved in allomarking during bouts of allogrooming." "The male rubs his throat in a typical movement on the head, shoulders and back of the female." (page 83/84)

5x expanded by Cwmhiraeth (talk). Self-nominated at 20:11, 7 January 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Long enough after expansion, nominated in time, well-sourced, QPQ done. No copyvio, AGF for offline sources. --Al Ameer (talk) 23:51, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

General George Washington at Trenton

General George Washington at Trenton by John Trumbull
General George Washington at Trenton by John Trumbull
Source: From Trumbull [63]
  • Reviewed: William V. Thompson
  • Comment: Consider for Washington's birthday, February 22, or observed, February 20

Created by Zeete (talk). Self-nominated at 20:49, 6 January 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg Good to go. QPQ done. Length, newness criteria met. Hook is interesting, of proper length and also verified. Article is well-cited. No plagiarism detected. Dr. K. 03:06, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Yazh Nool

  • ... that Yazh Nool is considered a monumental work on musical heritage to Yazh?Source: Lal, Mohan (1992). Encyclopaedia of Indian Literature: Sasay to Zorgot. Volume 5 of Encyclopaedia of Indian literature. Sahitya Akademi. ISBN 9788126012213.

Created/expanded by AntanO (talk). Self-nominated at 02:40, 3 January 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol voting keep.svg Good to Go - Article is ready for DYK, with a foreign-language offline hook reference accepted in good faith. It is new enough, long enough (over 1700 characters) and within policy. Hook and QPQ are good. --Doug Coldwell (talk)
  • Symbol question.svg The article needs a copyedit for English grammar. I edited the lead, but can't make sense of the next section, with these sentences:
  • Silappatikaram was depicted the context about Tri-Tamil. However, it was not accurately defined the details about music or it was difficult to interpret the context to modern Tamil, and many Tamil scholars were tried to explain musical minuteness detail from Silappatikaram. Even though, there were gaps to revel the knowledge. ...and so on...
  • Yoninah (talk) 20:57, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Why (Taeyeon song)

  • ... that the song "Why", from K-pop artist Taeyeon, was noted for its "powerhouse vocals" with "precise harmonies and an emotional punch", deemed unusual for a typical EDM song?

Improved to Good Article status by (talk). Nominated by TerryAlex (talk) at 20:17, 2 January 2017 (UTC).

Hook eligiblity:

  • Cited: Green tickY
  • Interesting: Red XN - Not really. The hook consists of a quote from a critic. I've suggested alts below.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol redirect vote 4.svg Nominator is exempt from QPQ requirements. I'm not a fan of DYKs on art consisting solely of reiterating what critics had to say about the art. For this article I'd prefer something like:

Alt 1 ... that despite reaching number 6 on the Billboard World Digital Songs chart, Why was Kim Tae-yeon's least successful single in her solo career?

~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 18:18, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Comment: Hi ONUnicorn, I've modified your suggestion a little. Is this good to go? Thanks for your review.---TerryAlex (talk) 06:39, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
As far as I'm concerned it's good to go; but I think a second reviewer needs to approve the alternate hook since I suggested it. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 15:16, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Not on Drugs

  • ... that Tove Lo said that her song "Not on Drugs" represented the "positive beginning" of her relationships?
    • ALT1:... that the lyrics of Tove Lo's song "Not on Drugs" compared falling in love to being under the influence of drugs?

Improved to Good Article status by Paparazzzi (talk). Self-nominated at 03:04, 2 January 2017 (UTC).

Freedom of the press in South Korea

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self-nominated at 21:13, 1 January 2017 (UTC).

Professor Aristóteles Orsini Planetarium

  • Reviewed: RCW 36
  • Comment: The references are in Portuguese; the relevant reference for the hook being [64] - "Inaugurado em janeiro de 1957, o Planetário Aristóteles Orsini foi o primeiro planetário do Brasil." An English ref is at [65] that states "Ibirapuera Planetarium was the first to be installed in Latin America" - just saying Brazil keeps this conservative.

Created by Mike Peel (talk). Self-nominated at 19:35, 1 January 2017 (UTC).

Gertrude Hull

Created by Doug Coldwell (talk). Self-nominated at 14:34, 1 January 2017 (UTC).

  • Comment only Is it reasonable to use "General" in the hook, when he was obviously not yet a General? Perhaps the hook would be better with this word omitted. Edwardx (talk) 00:58, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

ALT1 ... that high school teacher Gertrude Hull tutored Douglas MacArthur in preparation for passing the examination for entrance to West Point Academy? --Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:25, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

  • Source for hook - inline ref #13 = Gertrude Hull, Teacher, Dies / MacArthur Was Pupil. The Milwaukee Journal (p. "M" 1st column). Milwaukee, Wisconsin. March 24, 1947. "Miss Gertrude Hull, 80, who coached Gen. MacArthur for his entrance examinations to West Point died Saturday at her home." A copy can be furnished upon request.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 22:54, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Lalchand Fulamali‎

  • Reviewed: pending

Created by Soman (talk). Self-nominated at 11:13, 1 January 2017 (UTC).

Franco-Tahitian War

Capture of Fort Fautaua, 1846
Capture of Fort Fautaua, 1846

Created by KAVEBEAR (talk). Self-nominated at 08:20, 2 January 2017 (UTC).

  • Symbol confirmed.svg New, long, neutral and well-cited; no plagiarism detected. Hooks are accurate, neutral, and interesting, as well as verified by the citation(s). Personally, I prefer the original hook. Image is PD, QPQ appears to be in order. Lead should perhaps be longer, with a more complex summary of the text; but this is not a major setback. Dahn (talk) 07:36, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
For the promotion, please use the image. Thanks.KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:07, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

USS Albany (1846)

  • ... that when the USS Albany (1846) sank with all hands off the coast of Venezuela in September 1853, the crew included several offspring of prominent political men: James T. Gerry, son of Elbridge Gerry, formerly Vice President of the United States, John Quincy Adams, grandson of the second president and nephew of the sixth, and Bennet Israel Riley, son of Brevet General Bennet C. Riley, the former military governor of California during its statehood controversy? Navy Casualty Reports, 1776–1941, Lost and Wrecked Ships, Explosions and Steam Casualties, p. 5, Fold3 12-003. Accessed 3 November 2015.
    • ALT1:... that ...? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)

Improved to Good Article status by Auntieruth55 (talk). Self-nominated at 17:11, 2 January 2017 (UTC).

  • Comment only That hook is far above the 200 character limit. And the usual spelling is "Venezuela". Edwardx (talk) 20:03, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
  • "far above?" maybe by 20. I shortened it. It is well under 200 now. And Venezuela is spelled in standardnow. auntieruth (talk) 15:35, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 2

Robert Boyd (journalist)

  • ... that Robert Boyd missed out on the scoop of a lifetime because of his integrity, but won a Pulitzer Prize in the process?

Created by AdventurousSquirrel (talk). Self-nominated at 23:58, 9 January 2017 (UTC).

Carmo Planetarium

An aerial view of Carmo Planetarium
An aerial view of Carmo Planetarium

Created by Mike Peel (talk). Self-nominated at 08:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC).

Violin Sonata (Poulenc)

  • Reviewed: Nkosi's Haven
  • Comment: probably pointless to ask for the composer's birthday, because the prep for the day is already full ...

Created by LouisAlain (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 19:23, 4 January 2017 (UTC).

Raf di Lucca

  • Reviewed: Another Day of Sun
  • Comment: Please feel free to tweak the hook, or suggest another.

Moved to mainspace by JuneGloom07 (talk). Self-nominated at 03:10, 3 January 2017 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Very interesting hook. Passes checklist with flying colo(u)rs. SounderBruce 07:13, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

RCW 36

Image of the RCW 36 star-forming region at X-ray (blue) and infrared (green and red) wavelengths.
Image of the RCW 36 star-forming region at X-ray (blue) and infrared (green and red) wavelengths.
  • ... that new stars are currently forming in the RCW 36 star cluster? Source: "Star formation in RCW 36 is currently ongoing. Some protostellar cores (Giannini et al. 2012, MTHM13) and a UCHII region (Walsh et al. 1998) are found in the region where the far- infrared flux peaks (region II/III, Fig. 4f). The column density in this region is very high (Hill et al. 2011), consistent with the – fact that radiation only escapes from its surface and not from the embedded sources. It is entirely possible that new massive stars are being formed within this thick column of dust. Star for- mation is actively taking place at the forefront of this region, as demonstrated by the presence of two HH objects (Ellerbroek et al. 2013). Their positioning with respect to the cloud is reminiscent of the HH 901 and HH 902 jets emerging from the pillars north of the cluster Trumpler 14 in the Carina Nebula (Smith et al. 2010)." [69]
    • ALT1:... that more than 300 young stars in RCW 36 have been detected by the Chandra X-ray Observatory? Source: On page 2, Table 1 "337 X-ray young stars in RCW 36" ([70])
    • ALT2:... that the density of stars in the star-forming region RCW 36 is about 2 million times greater than in the Sun's neighborhood, and this density is sufficient for close encounters between stars to affect planet formation? Source 1: Page 2, Table 1. "log density = 5.5 [stars per cubic parsec] for RCW 36 B" ([71]) Source 2: [Gregersen, Erik. The Milky Way and beyond. The Rosen Publishing Group. pp. 35–36. ISBN 1-61530-053-8.] Source 3: "For example, at a density of 10^4 pc^-􏰉3, protostars and T Tauri stars with large disks are likely to have a close encounter on the order of their envelope or disk radius on a timescale of 10^5 yr, while classical T Tauri disk radius interactions occur much less often, on a timescale of 10^7 yr." ([72])

5x expanded by OtterAM (talk). Self-nominated at 21:55, 2 January 2017 (UTC).

  • Comment only RCW 36 is 2300 light years away - is it reasonable to use "currently" about something taking place 2300 years ago? Edwardx (talk) 00:18, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
The source on which the hook is based also uses the word "currently" in its description. The timescale for star formation is much longer than the ~2000 years that it would take for light from this star cluster to reach us. For example see Protostar#Observed classes of young stars – even the shortest timescale is a factor of 5 longer than the light travel time from this cluster, and the longer star-formation timescales are a factor of 1000 greater. For the astrophysical determination of whether or not star formation is ongoing, the source does not mention the light travel time as it is insignificant in this case. Generally in astronomy, light travel time is usually not mentioned for objects in the local universe, and it's only for objects at cosmological distances (e.g. hundreds of millions of light years) that it matters scientifically. OtterAM (talk) 04:13, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Symbol question.svg Sufficiently expanded, recent enough. Image looks OK, but caption should be improved to say what the features shown in the different colours are rather than just what frequency they were observed at. ALT1 looks good as the hook (better than the main one). ALT2 could also work, but is too long and wordy at the moment - perhaps remove the comparison with the solar density from it. Also with ALT2, the ref (on page 10) says "perhaps planet formation", and is more definite about the likely effects on disk evolution, so perhaps say "affect protoplanetary disks" instead of planet formation. The content of the article looks good overall (nice work @OtterAM!); I have detailed comments that I'll post on the talk page (now at Talk:RCW_36#Suggestions.2Fcomments). If ALT2 can be revised, then we could use that, otherwise we can run with ALT1. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:38, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
  • I have struck ALT2, because at 218 characters it is well above the 200 character max for DYK. If it is revised as a new ALT hook, please be sure it is under 200 characters. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:35, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Air stripline

  • ... that air stripline is particularly useful for creating beam forming networks in the 4–8 GHz microwave band? Source: "The air stripline type of BFN is compact but more lossy. Its application is generally limited at the C-band or lower-frequency bands" [73], "As indicated earlier, this air stripline transmission medium is very attractive in the C-band and in lower frequency – band applications.[74]

Created by Spinningspark (talk). Self-nominated at 19:52, 2 January 2017 (UTC). Moved to mainspace 2 January 2017.

  • Comment only How is this hook "interesting to a broad audience" please? Edwardx (talk) 00:49, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
    @Edwardx: Did you find anything in the article interesting? If you did, we can turn it into a hook. If you didn't, there's not much that can be done about it. SpinningSpark 16:20, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
  • The subject is rather technical, for me anyway. Perhaps something vaguely salacious such as:
  • Any thoughts? Edwardx (talk) 17:49, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
    Well, that's not exactly correct so I've struck it. Air stripline is still in use and is the preferred technology for some things. We could have,

Thanks, I've added "largely" to ALT1 to create ALT3 above. Edwardx (talk) 12:35, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Personally I really don't like that very much. It is negative about the subject and although true, misleading if taken in isolation. SpinningSpark 18:32, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
I'm not that keen on it either, but it is challenging material to come up with anything hookier. Hooks are a bit like newspaper headlines, as long as they are not untrue, the aim should be to get us to click through to the article. Even if it is perhaps a bit negative, the relevant criterion is, "does not focus unduly on negative aspects of living people", and this is an inanimate object, so not relevant. Edwardx (talk) 18:57, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
I didn't say anything about criteria or living persons. It's perfectly legitimate not to like it because it is negative. SpinningSpark 21:12, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
I'm not involved in the review of this article, but I dropped by to offer ALT4, which should be easily understood by most readers. Mindmatrix 19:43, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
  • ALT4: ...that in an air stripline, air is used as an electrical insulator to reduce transmission losses?

Carolyn B. Shelton

  • ... that Carolyn B. Shelton became the first female governor in the United States when she spent a weekend as acting governor of Oregon in 1909?
    • ALT1:... that ...Carolyn B. Shelton became acting governor of Oregon in 1909 when the previous governor, George E. Chamberlain, resigned to take his U.S. Senate seat and left Shelton, his personal secretary, to complete his term? Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" Source: Statesman Journal

Created by Knope7 (talk). Self-nominated at 18:54, 2 January 2017 (UTC).

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Symbol confirmed.svg Scratched ALT 1. Am satisfied with Hook and inline citation. Article is new enough, is long enough, well sourced and free of copyright violations. Hook does not have an image and requires no QPQ as nominator has 0 DYK credits. Liam E. Bekker (talk) 19:25, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on January 3


  • ... that Zambian slums called Kombonis began when white landowners housed their African employees in irregular neighborhoods on their compounds? Source: "Technically, since the only Africans who were allowed to live in such areas were the employees of the white settlers (who were authorized to house their employees on their so-called compounds), such neighborhoods were unauthorized at their origins." [75]
    • ALT1:... that approximately 80% of residents of Lusaka live in one of 37 slums called Kombonis? Source: "These settlements, which have grown in number over time, form Lusaka's current 37 compounds." [...] "Approximately 80% of its population live in poor, unplanned settlements (also known as ma komboni), which constitute 20% of the city's residential land."[76]

5x expanded by ONUnicorn (talk). Self-nominated at 15:59, 9 January 2017 (UTC).

  • I think that ALT1 is the better choice, because it is punchier and more interesting to general readers. The sourcing and policy-compliance check out. The expansion started January 3. Symbol question.svg My one concern is that the expansion looks to me, based on character count, to be just slightly below 5-fold. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:35, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
I'll work on expanding it a little more tomorrow, and also get the QPQ done. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 20:52, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
Should be long enough now. I'll do the QPQ tomorrow. ~ O